Dolphins in the hotel pool at Hotel Cozumel and Resort??

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And while on the subject of captive sea critters........is anyone here aware of what is going on with the new "Sting Ray City" (or shall I say Cozumel's new "Sting Ray Prison"???? because SRC in the Cayman Islands does not imprison the rays as is planned for Cozumel) There are many already in pens off of Melgar south of town----------I have not been to see them and refuse to ever do so.......I don't want any of the street cleaners to have to clean my vomit off the sidewalk!!..........sorry to vent, but this is very emotional to me as well.

Betsy

I've been to Grand Cayman several times. I stay on the east end and have only been to Sting Ray City once... and that was once too much for me. I was down about 10 minutes and went back to the boat. They may not physically keep the rays captive, but if that site as a tourist attraction ever shuts down those rays won't know what to do. They are conditioned to know that food is coming at specific times every day.

There have been some serious issues with the site in recent years too. Eels are getting aggressive for their share of the feed, and there are regular visits by sharks who know the well fed rays and eels are here and they make for an easy meal...

The sting ray pens in Cozumel are disgusting, but what they are doing it not really much worse then what's happened in Cayman. The only difference is that the Cayman site gives visitors the illussion of it's inhabitants being free...
 
I observed the "Stingray Pen" which is adjacent to the Caribe Blu Hotel (to the south) a month ago and was similarly appalled. I snorkled past it a few times and with the exception of a single young stingray trying desparately to escape, it was devoid of marine life. On one morning, the current was so strong that the top of the netting was well underwater (Yay!). I am secretly hoping for a well timed El Norte to come along this winter and relocate the flimsy corral around some cruise ship's propeller.
 
Scubawife------I agree with you wholeheartedly about what is happening in the Caymans----------it is a totally unnatural environment and who knows what will happen to these poor creatures who are so accustomed to being hand fed by tourists, but at LEAST they are not behind "bars"!! I remember meeting a DM several years ago in Cayman whose hands were wrapped in gauze after being attacked by a green moray while he was doing his "show" so this is not a new thing and I imagine it is only much worse now.

As for the pens in CZM, Bcaderunr, I wish if there were a gap at the top, that they would ALL be able to escape through it. Obviously if there is no marine life at that spot, they can't feed in their natural way and will be soon reliant on the humans who have put them there. It's all too sad.

And I have another question----------where exactly did these rays COME from?..........since, after much protest, the Mexican government "apparently" has outlawed the importation of dolphins from places like the Solomon Islands, etc........shall we assume that these rays have been captured locally??.......and I MEAN LOCALLY??? To think that a beautiful ray that I could have been swimming next to last week, is now in captivity breaks me heart.

And last, (again directed to the question about their escaping----let's hope!) I heard talk of their having their barbs removed so as not to endanger the IDIOTS who will pay to swim in this nightmare of a place. DO NOT shoot the messenger because I am praying that this is just a rumor!!...........but in the event that it is not, and if they were to someday be liberated, they would then be helpless to defend themselves.

AND are THEY going to be hauled off to a swimming pool as well during the next hurricane?? The Hotel Cozumel pool is going to be VERY crowded if so........Today I am embarassed to live in Cozumel if this is the way it is going to be.........shame on the money folks who have started this project---------I wish THEY would be held in pens instead AND UNDERWATER!!

Betsy
 
This makes me sick.:angrymob::angrymob::angrymob:
 
Sasscuba, where did you get the idea that they were raised in captivity? Pretty much without exception, marine mammals in dolphin encounters outside of the U.S. are captured in the wild and transported to their new homes. And many of those transported do not survive the initial period. Most common places for capture these days are Cuba and the Solomon Islands, where there are little to no regulations protectiong wild dolphin polulations. Rearing marine mammals in an evironment sufficient to promote breeding is very difficult, and even the best aquariums with top-notch scientists on staff have trouble accomplishing this. The animals you see in an entertainment environment like this were NOT born and raised in captivity.

That aside, several alluded to above but didn't say outright: the reason they are placed in pools during a hurricane is to prevent them from ESCAPING. This is what they mean by keeping them "safe." It's not that they can't survive the hurricane, it's that they are likely to get out of their pens. The safest place for them to be, from the standpoint of their own welfare, is out in the wild.

BTW, the U.S. has stringent rules and regulations for zoo and aquarium animals. There are many, many hoops for these organizations to jump through to prove that what they are doing is ok for the animals. Those with breeding programs for endangered species have to regularly prove that what they are doing is advancing the welfare of the species, in addition to being ok for the welfare of the individual animals in captivity. Even with all of these restrictions in place, the most reputable of institutions can have problems keeping their animals safe, healthy, and thriving. No other country has this many safeguards in place as we do. Don't kid yourself that becasue you've been to a good zoo or aquarium in the U.S., that facililties elsewhere, particularly in 3rd world countries, take this kind of care with their animals. They just don't.

p.s., for those of you who don't know me and will therefore ask: I'm a retired endangered species biologist, though I have no special expertise in marine biology.


OMG, where did I say raised in captivity? What are you smoking? Read before you post please.:no
 
OMG, where did I say raised in captivity? What are you smoking? Read before you post please.:no

I got an idea for you... How about actually thinking before you post.
 
My apologies, sasscuba. I guess I was thought you were the one who said that, because of your bizarre method of quoting an earlier poster by simply pasting their comments in screaming blue type. I thought it was your comment in bold face.
 
OMG, where did I say raised in captivity? What are you smoking? Read before you post please.:no

With all due respect Scott...you quoted me and then ALSO included it in the text of your message here, so it's EASY to see how she was confused as to who said it.


Even though they were raised in captivity, IMO, they would have a better chance at surviving by being let loose in times of emergency...at least they would be in their natural environment.



I agree but then they would probably not come back and they wouldn't want that...no more $$$.:D

I'll also remind you that you've made a few posts of your own without reading first, just recently. You asked about the effect of Hurricane Dean when there was an entire thread about the fact that it didn't hit us three posts down when you originally posted. So YOU didn't read before you posted that question and now you're on someone elses case for the same thing? It's not that big of a deal. Your comment to Suzbo was out of line either way.
 
My apologies, sasscuba. I guess I was thought you were the one who said that, because of your bizarre method of quoting an earlier poster by simply pasting their comments in screaming blue type. I thought it was your comment in bold face.

No problem, sorry about that.
 
With all due respect Scott...you quoted me and then ALSO included it in the text of your message here, so it's EASY to see how she was confused as to who said it.



I'll also remind you that you've made a few posts of your own without reading first, just recently. You asked about the effect of Hurricane Dean when there was an entire thread about the fact that it didn't hit us three posts down when you originally posted. So YOU didn't read before you posted that question and now you're on someone elses case for the same thing? It's not that big of a deal. Your comment to Suzbo was out of line either way.

Geez Christi relax and have a cold one will ya.:D
 

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