Doc Deep plans 1200' Dive

[Hetland]

Was his deco schedule or computer/depth info ever published as it was promised? If so, is there a link?

 

[Diver0001]

I don't think it was ever published and I don't think it's a good idea to publish it for a couple of reasons.

First of all, it's untested. He didn't make it to the ascent let alone the decompression stops so you don't want this information on the internet where people will see it and think that it is somehow a legitimate deco plan for a legitimate dive. Neither of these things is true. In other words, it's bad enough that one relative newbie got the idea to try a dive like this. You don't want to encourage anyone else to think it's doable because it's not.

Secondly, the manner in which this unfolded spawned a whole slew of "I told you so" blogs and articles. Some of them good, most of them not. The guy turned himself into the poster boy for how NOT to do things and publishing the deco plan will just make him more of a laughing stock than he already was. People without the skills or experience to know whether it is a good plan or not (namely everyone on the planet except maybe 6 guys) will go on and on about the plan with chest thumping and authoritative sounding analyses that will be hard for anyone, let alone those who were actually involved, to read. I don't think that those people close enough to the dive to have access to the plan want to, or should want to, put themselves through that.

R..

 

[Rhone Man]

My understanding is that Garman's widow and her lawyers started taking a pretty punchy approach with publicity for the incident after it all started to mushroom, the basic idea being to try and screw the lid down on exactly what happened as much as possible.

I suspect the prospects of the plan ever getting published are right about zero. Probably a good thing too - the one thing everyone can agree on was that it wasn't a very good plan.

 

[Pinecube]

If I'm remembering correctly, it was the navy that recovered the gear and the information from it was not shared with the family. I'm not sure if any of the gear was eventually given back to the family though.

 

[Hetland]

I don't think it was ever published and I don't think it's a good idea to publish it for a couple of reasons.

First of all, it's untested. He didn't make it to the ascent let alone the decompression stops so you don't want this information on the internet where people will see it and think that it is somehow a legitimate deco plan for a legitimate dive. Neither of these things is true. In other words, it's bad enough that one relative newbie got the idea to try a dive like this. You don't want to encourage anyone else to think it's doable because it's not.

Secondly, the manner in which this unfolded spawned a whole slew of "I told you so" blogs and articles. Some of them good, most of them not. The guy turned himself into the poster boy for how NOT to do things and publishing the deco plan will just make him more of a laughing stock than he already was. People without the skills or experience to know whether it is a good plan or not (namely everyone on the planet except maybe 6 guys) will go on and on about the plan with chest thumping and authoritative sounding analyses that will be hard for anyone, let alone those who were actually involved, to read. I don't think that those people close enough to the dive to have access to the plan want to, or should want to, put themselves through that.

R..

It doesn't take a scientist to understand how foolhardy this was. Any an/dp graduate can see the massive holes in his gas planning, if nothing else. Honestly, any technical diver that took part in this incident should be ashamed. I don't give a single !@#$ about how their feelings may get hurt by post-analysis.

 

[Diver0001]

It doesn't take a scientist to understand how foolhardy this was. Any an/dp graduate can see the massive holes in his gas planning, if nothing else. Honestly, any technical diver that took part in this incident should be ashamed. I don't give a single !@#$ about how their feelings may get hurt by post-analysis.

Yeah... I get that. You're already analyzing it without having any information at all. Just imagine what you would do if you had actual information to base your rage on....

And THIS is exactly why I think they should keep it off the net. It will just create drama from arm-chair quarterbacks without changing anything.

R..

 

[rjack321]

Yeah... I get that. You're already analyzing it without having any information at all. Just imagine what you would do if you had actual information to base your rage on....

And THIS is exactly why I think they should keep it off the net. It will just create drama from arm-chair quarterbacks without changing anything.

R..

How else are we doing to discourage dumb ideas except through the risk of looking foolish in the internet post mortem?

 

[Wookie]

Yeah... I get that. You're already analyzing it without having any information at all. Just imagine what you would do if you had actual information to base your rage on....

And THIS is exactly why I think they should keep it off the net. It will just create drama from arm-chair quarterbacks without changing anything.

R..

In my opinion (and we all know all about opinions, etc.) hiding information to keep people from speculating about it just makes people speculate about it. Shaming them for speculating doesn't make them stop, it makes them make up all kinds of fun things that have no basis in reality.

This applies to e-mails, fake universities, tax returns and embassies in middle eastern countries. As well as poorly planned dives.

 

[Patoux01]

It doesn't take a scientist to understand how foolhardy this was. Any an/dp graduate can see the massive holes in his gas planning, if nothing else. Honestly, any technical diver that took part in this incident should be ashamed. I don't give a single !@#$ about how their feelings may get hurt by post-analysis.

Sorry, did I miss the part where we got his gas planning?

 

[rjack321]

Sorry, did I miss the part where we got his gas planning?

We don't actually need the gases selected, it started before it even got to that point when he thought he could somehow magically avoid HPNS. I'm not sure they knew what that is or how it would affect him though.