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I think Exley is more famous for his cave exploration, books and his overall contribution to diving than for depth records.

That's part of the point I was making. Guinness is the de facto arbiter of world records, at least as they appeal to the general public, but there are other bodies that keep official records and other ways to become famous. If Garman had been successful I doubt that many people outside the world of diving would know about it, but a lot of divers would know whether Guinness recognized it or not.

Becoming a record holder may offer motivation to a small percentage of people, but setting a record usually requires far more than a desire to be known for setting a record. It generally takes major motivation, commitment and discipline, and frequently a lot of money. Even if setting records was enormously important to Exley I think it was still just a very small part of what drove him.

Do you ever notice that it's the dead guys that are famous?

Anybody can try to set a record; that's far easier than actually doing it, and it may even be a better way of becoming famous than succeeding. Dying, if you do it in the right way, can do wonders for your name recognition.
 
Do you ever notice that it's the dead guys that are famous? We go on and on about Sheck, no one (hardly) discusses Jim Bowden. We talk about David Shaw but not Will Goodman. Who are Verna Van Schaik or Claudia Serpieri?

Dying, if you do it in the right way, can do wonders for your name recognition.

This reminds me of an interview years ago with humorist singer Richard "Kinky" Friedman. He mentioned that he wanted to become a famous folk artist along the lines of Jim Croce. When the interviewer pointed out that Croce did not become famous until after he had died, Friedman responded "We're looking into private planes too."


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Diver's widow asks for speculation to end - News - Virgin Islands Daily News

Diver's widow asks for speculation to end

By GERRY YANDEL (Daily News Staff)
Published: August 24, 2015

Christi Garman, the widow of Dr. Guy Garman, who drowned Aug. 15 while trying to set a world record deep scuba dive of 1,200 feet, is asking people to stop speculating about the circumstances surrounding her husband's death.

According to Ed Buckley, the owner of St. Croix Ultimate Bluewater Adventures who was piloting Garman's dive boat, Christi Garman issued a public statement.

"This statement is hers and was not written or edited by anyone else. I am passing it along at her request," Buckley said in an email sent to The Daily News.

Here is the full text of Christi Garman's statement.

"In the week since Dr. Guy Garman's failed world record attempt dive there has been a lot of rumor, presumption, and misinformation. The only facts that are known for sure at this time are as follows:
- He descended on Saturday morning at 6 a.m. and did not return from depth.
- His body and equipment were recovered from the water on Tuesday morning.
- His body went away with the Medical Examiner.
- His equipment is in U.S. Coast Guard custody and will be inspected and possibly returned to his family.
- The medical examiner has ruled his death a drowning.

"Anything more than these few facts is conjecture. The family will decide in the future what information to make public as it becomes available to them. Until that time, they ask that the public respect their privacy and to please refrain from further speculation."

Guy Garman was an ear, nose and throat doctor on St. Croix and he had prepared for two years for his world record attempt. He previously had attained a depth of 815 feet during a deep dive in April.
 
Diver's widow asks for speculation to end - News - Virgin Islands Daily News

Diver's widow asks for speculation to end

By GERRY YANDEL (Daily News Staff)
Published: August 24, 2015

Christi Garman, the widow of Dr. Guy Garman, who drowned Aug. 15 while trying to set a world record deep scuba dive of 1,200 feet, is asking people to stop speculating about the circumstances surrounding her husband's death.

According to Ed Buckley, the owner of St. Croix Ultimate Bluewater Adventures who was piloting Garman's dive boat, Christi Garman issued a public statement.

"This statement is hers and was not written or edited by anyone else. I am passing it along at her request," Buckley said in an email sent to The Daily News.

Here is the full text of Christi Garman's statement.

"In the week since Dr. Guy Garman's failed world record attempt dive there has been a lot of rumor, presumption, and misinformation. The only facts that are known for sure at this time are as follows:
- He descended on Saturday morning at 6 a.m. and did not return from depth.
- His body and equipment were recovered from the water on Tuesday morning.
- His body went away with the Medical Examiner.
- His equipment is in U.S. Coast Guard custody and will be inspected and possibly returned to his family.
- The medical examiner has ruled his death a drowning.

"Anything more than these few facts is conjecture. The family will decide in the future what information to make public as it becomes available to them. Until that time, they ask that the public respect their privacy and to please refrain from further speculation."

Guy Garman was an ear, nose and throat doctor on St. Croix and he had prepared for two years for his world record attempt. He previously had attained a depth of 815 feet during a deep dive in April.

With all due respect to the deceased, Dr. Garman was apparently eager to extract all possible publicity prior to the ill-fated dive. It seems quite disingenuous to demand privacy after the poo hit the fan.
 
Dr. Guy Garman Archives - Virgin Islands Free Press

Expert: Garman’s Crew Ignored Warnings Months Ago About ‘Flawed’ Dive Plan

CHRISTIANSTED – Two of the most successful deep diving enterprises in the world publicly warned the dive crew hired by Dr. Guy Garman to keep him safe that if the “flawed” dive went forward as described it would most likely end in certain death for “Doc Deep” – but that warning was blithely ignored five months ago, the Virgin Islands Free Press has learned.

Andy Davis, who runs Scuba Tech Philippines, said the Garman dive crew’s proposed dive plan was so potentially disastrous – they did not believe at first that anyone would seriously attempt such a suicidal mission – they thought for sure it was a “hoax.”

“Members involved with both of those projects publicly warned Dr. Garman’s team of a flawed dive plan on the Scubaboard diving forum back in March,” Davis said. “It was first believed to be a hoax, but once it was known to be a real attempt, a tragic outcome was predicted. Forty-eight months of diving training, with less than 600 dives isn’t considered a high experience level by most professional divers.”

Asked if Garman was qualified as a diver to make such an attempt, Davis said: “The issue of ‘qualification’ is actually very hard to define. There is no qualifying scuba course for the depths to which Dr. Garman dived. It’s a very experimental level of diving. The deepest qualification courses generally train only to 100 meters (328 feet) depth.”

Experts said Garman might have died within minutes of attempting a dive of 1,200 feet on August 15. His dead body washed up on the Christiansted shore on Tuesday. Many professional technical dive operations the world over have called for an end to the type of diving the Tennessee native did on St. Croix.

“In comparison with previous divers who attempted scuba depth records, Dr. Garman had relatively very little experience in terms of time or dives,” Davis said. “The one notable exception was ‘Dave’ John Shaw, who died on his 333rd dive (five years diving) whilst attempting a body recover at 270m/890ft.”

Davis wrote an article on his website Scuba Tech Philippines in which he said that “greater specific experience dealing with extreme depth hyperbaric physiological conditions may have been beneficial for Dr. Garman.”

“A diver has to find their own limits and tolerances to these conditions,” he said. “Therefore, a prudent approach might be to conduct a larger number of progressive dives, in smaller increments of depth/pressure increase.”

Davis added that “dives have been conducted to far greater depths than Dr. Garman was attempting” but they were conducted using more sophisticated diving equipment and with higher safety standards.

“These were commercial saturation dives from support bells (COMEX Hydra 8, in 1982, at a depth of 534m/1752ft) and in scientific study through hyperbaric chambers (701m/2300ft, at Duke University, in 1992),” he said. “Neither of these record setting projects involved scuba gear, because insufficient gas can be carried to allow a very slow descent, which is critical in mitigating the hyperbaric physiological effects described in my article.”

Davis said when a deep diver is planning on making such a technically difficult dive “there are more variables than simple experience to consider.”

“The quality of dives is as important as the quantity,” he said. “I’m not in a position to comment on the quality of Dr. Garman’s dives. But, in general, the more time one spends underwater, the more failures, problems and unforeseeable issues they’ve had chance to encounter and overcome.”

“Captain” Ed Buckley, the owner of St. Croix Ultimate Bluewater Adventures, took credit in published reports for being the dive captain of the world record dive attempt. Buckley said Doc Deep got in the water at 6 a.m. and was in trouble by 6:38 a.m. August 15. The VI Free Press asked Buckley what time he called the U.S. Coast Guard to notify them that Garman was having difficulties – Buckley said he could not recall the exact time.

The U.S. Coast Guard did not immediately respond to a request for an interview.

Davis said there are a lot of reasons why Garman’s team might have gone forward with such a disastrously “flawed” technical dive plan, including “over confidence, groupthink, normalization-of-deviance and destructive goal pursuit. “

“The technical dive community is hoping that GoPro video footage from Dr. Garman’s camera will be made public for accident analysis,” Davis said. “If it is, a much clearer idea of the situation… and Dr. Garman’s actual preparedness will be known.”
 
... Could he have shot down past the end of the line as was speculated? Since speculation is allowed on this forum...

It has happened before.

I have always been a little surprised at the willingness of technical divers to attach lots of negatively-buoyant things to their harnesses. A Faber catalog worth of deco stages, a scooter, backplates with lead ziptied on, a second scooter, an anti-roadrunner anvil ....

In Diving Into Darkness (required reading for anyone considering an extremely deep scuba dive), Dave Shaw's dive buddy tells the story of how Shaw slammed into the bottom of Bushman's Hole at 890 ffw on his prep dive for the body recovery. Shaw was unable to slow down. He couldn't establish neutral buoyancy in time to stop near his target depth. He couldn't do it in time to avoid colliding with the bottom of the cave.

Several other posters have mentioned that Garman's gas plan did not appear to have enough cushion to allow for some fumbling around on the bottom after a crash and a big silt out.

It would be useful to know how many cylinders were recovered with the body, if they had been completely emptied, and how much positive buoyancy they provided.
 
With all due respect to the deceased, Dr. Garman was apparently eager to extract all possible publicity prior to the ill-fated dive. It seems quite disingenuous to demand privacy after the poo hit the fan.

The problem is that Dr Garman's actions including courting of publicity have left a heavy burden for others to carry. :shakehead: I don't think it is disingenuous of the grieving loved ones. Dr Garman let the genii out of the bottle nothing will put it back. We can appreciate their pain and try to be respectful while recognizing the value of examining the factors that led to this tragedy. This is a brutal place to be, we can only hope that somehow, someone will read what is discussed here and stop themselves from falling into the same fatal traps. :(
 
Taken from here: Former Maryville doctor dies attempting world scuba diving record

Local 8 News also spoke with a dive expert about what conditions are like at a depth of 1,200 feet below the surface of the water. Alan Williams, the owner of Rhea's Diving Services in Maryville explained it would be a dive into total darkness, but said there isn't really much of any research that can be done to test what happens to the human body.

That's the big problem with the Media. The victim in the begining was stated as an expert! Now a person is cited as an expert and states that "there isn't really much of any research", while there has been research and it is known what is happening to the human body down there. It won't be long until another person will try with scuba to get down there and he/she will think that he/she is doing science a favor....
 
Dr Garman's body washed ashore? I don't recall specifics about how he was found previously...

So he somehow became unattached from the line. Could he have shot down past the end of the line as was speculated? Since speculation is allowed on this forum...

The source for this information was previously shown to be HIGHLY unreliable. The writer's first story on this affair included both distortions and outright fabrication.
 
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