do your own visual

[jar546]

You don't cite what or who you are speaking to so I will infer that it includes my comments.

The only thing I said that could be considered judgemental is that the defacto statements made by others to do their own VIP inspections do not constitue sound advice for the OP or any random reader browsing this thread.

There absolutlely, positively are scenarios where a DIY VIP will not get you a fill, that is a fact. Anyone considering doing their own inspections just needs to realize that, evaluate their local situation and go forward based on facts.

To simply say "do it" is setting some percentage up for failure.

Pete

I took no exception to any of your previous posts which all made sense. I was hoping the "revenue stream" comment was not an all inclusive comment as to why some shops don't take DIY stickers.

The nice part about accepting PSI/PCI certified inspector's stickers is that they have been trained and received a certification. Those inspectors have an obligation to perform a very specific inspection and take on a lot of the liability if they don't. As we all know, however, a certification does not guarantee competency. On a trip to a recent shop I had a discussion with one of the VIP inspectors who had a SDI/TDI? class for about 2 hours and $100 from a local small hydro shop owner. She was beyond clueless about what she was looking for. She had no clue that there were set limits to pitting and other basic things.

 

[redacted]

The nice part about accepting PSI/PCI certified inspector's stickers is that they have been trained and received a certification. Those inspectors have an obligation to perform a very specific inspection and take on a lot of the liability if they don't. .

Have you ever heard of any inspector being held liable, in a court action, for a bad inspection?

 

[jar546]

Have you ever heard of any inspector being held liable, in a court action, for a bad inspection?

I suppose that you would have to research court records for post accident investigations concerning tank failures to find that.

As someone who does expert witness I can assure you that in any case where someone was injured from a piece of equipment that was inspected, the inspection records and inspection itself would be called into play. There is liability every time you get in your car too don't forget.

 

[Nemrod]

Couldnt say it better. May I add that First impressions carry the most weight. A Home made sticker to save a few cents speaks volumns about what other corners may have been cut inthe inspection process.

Do you adjust the kanuder valve?

N

 

[NAM001]

You can take psionline however i dont know if it is for recert only or for original certificetion. The fee is the same as a regular classroom course.

Anybody know of any online options for learning to VIP tanks - even if unofficial and without a certification? Thing is I'm in Chile and VIP's aren't really done here (seems even hydro's aren't enforced).

I have 10 tanks that I'd like to keep up on, if nothing else at least for my own peace of mind.

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I would think that few if any would do that to skip out on the fee. most ppeople do not have the # of tanks to make that cost effective. Those who do have that many tanks most likely are too conciencious to do that. I could see if one took the course to do that to all thier buddies tanks, but that is even a slim chance of happening. I would think that you could spot check a tank or so if a lot of those inspectors tanks are coming in for filling and remove a valve and check them. Your only other choise is to refuse filling tanks that you do not inspect. Not only a lot of lost revenue but a vary bad policy PR wise.

I own a shop and I must say that I believe there are a lot of people out that that would get the cert in order to save some money and just slap a sticker on their tanks before they brought them in. IMO, I am the one filling the tank and I will be the one inspecting them to be sure they are safe to fill. Of course that does not mean I wouldn't accept stuff from other shops. I absolutely would take anything from a reputable shop but I have heard of too many people that don't take care for any of their gear to believe they would do a complete and thorough VIP. Ask yourself, when do tanks usually fail?

 

[jar546]

I am not aware of an online course for psi/pci

The psi online is a different industry




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[Akimbo]

Where do you get the stickers? Ebay of course!

Visual Inspection Certificate Inspection Sticker | eBay

Tank Visual Inspection Stickers Nitrox or Air PK of 10 | eBay

 

[NAM001]

I am looking for the online course. When i took my refresher the instructor told me that i cousld do it online, take the test online and get the certification mailed to me. I have not yet found it though.

I am not aware of an online course for psi/pci

The psi online is a different industry




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go to trident for the stickers. call them and give them your cert data and wait for them in the mail. You may have to order through a shop. You most likely wont get andi unless you have andi traiing. Here is another link for the stickers http://www.boydski.com/diving/gear/stickers/Visual_Inspection_Stickers.htm

My understanding is that ANDI gives stickers to businesses with certified staff, not to individuals. You can become a certified inspector, but where will you get your vis stickers?

 

[jar546]

Where do you get the stickers? Ebay of course!

Visual Inspection Certificate Inspection Sticker | eBay

Tank Visual Inspection Stickers Nitrox or Air PK of 10 | eBay

Yes, we have seen them before. I can tell you that in most shops these stickers are not accepted. In one shop in particular, there is a photo copy of the first sticker with a note not to accept them. If you read the language, it is incorrect anyway. Many have been turned down with these stickers. People were buying the tanks online through leisure pro then buying the stickers.

Of course I am sure that many shops have no idea and accept them.

 

[knfmn]

I know of a few local shops that will not accept PSI stickers, even though the class is the industry standard. At least one of those shops also had an employee who slapped a sticker on a friends steel tank claiming to have done an eddy current inspection on it earlier this year. Makes me kind of question whether or not the employee even knows what a tank inspection is, or if their instruction consists of "yeah, just pull the valve and take a look in it".

I have two friends who have taken the PSI courses and I am very impressed with the level of knowledge and understanding of possible tank issues that they gained in the courses. I would much rather get my tanks checked by them than by a shop monkey who never had any real training. My solution is to just not go to the shops that won't accept reputable inspections. Money speaks volumes.

Kristopher