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OK now you have me thinking. From woght I an reading here ancer me this.
If I had a boat and some one to drive it but no one to dive with that day. I could call a DM and say $30 and gas come dive with me. Do I get any response and takers.
 
This isn't my account so the profile isn't accurate, but I've been a working Divemaster and Instructor in the Keys for 3 years, and I've managed to make a living, pay my rent, buy some things, and have lots of fun just fine. Its been tough at times, but considering that rent and living expenses are crazy high in Key West and the rest of the Keys, I'd say I'm doing okay. ITs been my only Job and I'd say I've made somewhere in the neighborhood of 24K/year or so. I'm very dependent on tips, so when the weather sucks, so does the income, but I make it work. Sometimes that means not out partying and living the 'Divemaster' Lifestyle. Keys standard is about $40 a trip + tips to start. You sure don't roll in the money, and its a tough life sometimes with the cost of living and weather, but I wouldn't do anything else. Of course, you earn your sea time too...if your smart and motivated to stay in the industry you get your Captain's Liscense, then you still get the tips, but you get paid well too.
One other thing to note: Too many operators don't run successful businesses and therefore you don't make any money as an employee. Interview your potential employer just as your employer is interviewing you. Its hard work, but if you find the right shop and work hard yourself, you can do what you love and make an honest living at it.
 
Skeeter1097:
OK now you have me thinking. From woght I an reading here ancer me this.
If I had a boat and some one to drive it but no one to dive with that day. I could call a DM and say $30 and gas come dive with me. Do I get any response and takers.

Throw in R/T airfare from OR and you've got yourself a DM! How's Friday?
 
Skeeter1097:
OK now you have me thinking. From woght I an reading here ancer me this.
If I had a boat and some one to drive it but no one to dive with that day. I could call a DM and say $30 and gas come dive with me. Do I get any response and takers.


The "someone to drive it", since you are in Florida, would have to be a licensed Coast Guard Captain. Let's say you actually had that, had your vessel registered as a passenger vessel,and all the proper permits for the area, and fully insured (my 6 pack costs me 6 grand a year for insurance to cover boat, passengers and crew on and in the water- many people paying less in this biz are woefully underinsured) and then you have passengers wanting to go out.... you probably need to know a LOT of DMs to find one who can go out on short notice.
 
Linze1106:
How do you live off $80 dollars a month?? How do people make enough money to live? Do you HAVE to own your own scuba shop to make any money in this business? I can understand having 2 jobs, I have that right now, that doesn't bother me. I guess I just assumed they would make more than .50 an hour. What about instructors? No one has mentioned anything about them. If me and my husband want to make a living off this sport someday how do we do that? Is it possible?
Here is what my $.50 an hour can break down to and it doesn't change from the $80.00.

I already posted this:
A big part of my full time job is diving. I get $.50 an hour for it. That breaks down to $80.00 a month for dive pay. Don't laugh, we are considered highly paid compaired to the rest of the country.

For the month of April we were a little busy. Some months more some months less. But for April and just dive related activity. I had roughly 62 hours offically on the clock and about another ten that I just blended into patrol time. But just my "OVERTIME" for diving was $333.00. Add that to my base hourly rate and the money is good. It's just the $.50 an hour that sounds kind of sorry but that is special duty pay.

Gary D.
 
It really bothers me that people spend so much time and money to get trained to be DMs or insructors all to work for free. That is crap!!

Sure it is fun, but really, they worked there ^#%@# off to get where they are and they are resposible for YOUR safety and training. My open water instructor offered to dive for free with me after my class. I about choked him!! You can't work for free. Again, sure it is fun, but it IS work.

I run into the same problem as a flight instructor. people think i should work sunday afternoon for free since 'i am having fun'. sure i love my job, but If i am there, you are going to pay me to be there or i am going home (or diving). like most people do on sunday. Call your lawyer and ask him to work for free. not a chance. a doctor likes his work, but you wont get him to open the door on his 'beamer for free!

So everybody, bone up the cash and give these guys what they deserve. After they teach you something that could and WILL save your life, you will think that $40 an hour was well worth it! If not, go get a massage for $60/hour and think about it!
 
Codyjp:
My open water instructor offered to dive for free with me after my class. I about choked him!! You can't work for free.

So did you pay him?

Codyjp:
I run into the same problem as a flight instructor. If i am there, you are going to pay me to be there or i am going home

So if you are in the air, you are getting paid period? If instructors had a similar attitude about diving, I'm not sure they would make very good instructors. Most good instructors LOVE to dive. When they are diving, they are not always instructing. I have dove with many instructors, I'm certainly not going to pay them to be my buddy? They are there because they want to be.

Codyjp:
Call your lawyer, you wont get him to open the door on his 'beamer for free!
So how does he get in to drive it...very confusing!:11doh:

Codyjp:
So everybody, bone up the cash and give these guys what they deserve. After they teach you something that could and WILL save your life, you will think that $40 an hour was well worth it! If not, go get a massage for $60/hour and think about it!

On the flip side, what they have just taught can kill you more easily than save you life.

So I'm not sure what you are suggesting? $240 tips per student? That the LDS charges more?

The problem in part is created by the fact that there is no shortage of instructors. It is also a rather small market. Supply, Demand, all that jazz.
 
QUOTE=RonFrank

So did you pay him?

I haven't dove with him yet. but if i go with him and i use him to teach me stuff then yes, i will pay him for it. If we were to go strictly as dive buddies (not likely) then that is a different story.


<So if you are in the air, you are getting paid period? If instructors had a similar attitude about diving, I'm not sure they would make very good instructors. Most good instructors LOVE to dive. When they are diving, they are not always instructing. I have dove with many instructors, I'm certainly not going to pay them to be my buddy? They are there because they want to be.>

I want to fly, and i love to fly. I also want to pay rent and i would love to buy a house just like most people. Are you sugesting that since i charge for my services that i don't like to fly and that i am a bad instructor?
If i am flying with a friend to go somewhere then no, i am not charging. I also have to be careful though. If my buddy messes up and busts airspace while i am napping (i wouldn't do that) i will be held responsible by the FAA and i will lose my licenses not him. Same could be said for you and your scuba instructor buddy. If you do something dumb and kill yourself he is going to catch heat for letting it happen.


<On the flip side, what they have just taught can kill you more easily than save you life.>

Are you seriously sugesting that?

<So I'm not sure what you are suggesting? $240 tips per student? That the LDS charges more? >

<The problem in part is created by the fact that there is no shortage of instructors. It is also a rather small market. Supply, Demand, all that jazz.QUOTE>

It is unfortunate. I am sugesting that DM's and instructors come to an agreement that they can't work for free anymore. They need to demand more from their LDS, boats, resorts etc. The weekend guy that does it for fun and free is hurting the rest of them who do it for a career.
 
Codyjp:
The weekend guy that does it for fun and free is hurting the rest of them who do it for a career.

Cody, this is such crap. If a vocation, I'm talking anything here, not just diving, is something that people can do in their spare time while working another job, and as such think of it as a hobby and don't NEED to make a living off of it, and don't really WANT to charge a lot for it, you think they should anyway, just because other people are TRYING to make a living doing it?

To those folks who would complain, I say perhaps you chose poorly in your profession. No one holds a gun to someone's head and forces them to be a DM or Instructor.

Jake
 
RonFrank:
If you have to ask about how to get a Dive Shop up and running you are likely not in the position to start as of yet.

If you are wealthy, and don't need to actually make money in the industry, then you will likely do very well! However if that was the case, I doubt you would be posting.

Even buying a small business that is already established, unless you can afford to pay for everything out of pocket, you are going to need to do a HECK of a lot of research. You will need a business plan to start, and will need to obtain financing. That is actually the easy part. The hardest part is making decisions about location, wholesale connections, what lines to carry, how to handle payroll, personal, taxes, finances, liability, insurance, customer policies, mastercard/visa, bad checks, marketing, advertising, on and on.

It's a business, and if you have never had any experience running a small business, you also may need to pay someone to help set you up, and then hope to god you can actually pay the bills before you run out of $$$, and go bankrupt.

There is a big reason that so many Dive Shops go out of business, and it has little to do with the internet, or local ecnonmy, and more to do with the fact that you have to really know what you're doing to grow a business from the ground up.

The few business plans I've seen generally assume that the business will not profit within the first year, and make allowances for little profit even after two years.

And . . . you have to develop a "story" to help you hire DMs to work for you for free fills while asking them to pay for their additional gear and certification desires. :)

theskull
 

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