DM or Master Diver????

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matt_unique:
As a DM you will be doing pool work and OW checkout dives from a beach for the majority of your time - this is a fact. I know some DM's that are good divers, but they did not get there from what they did as a DM otherwise their experience would be limited to 20' shore dives.

--Matt

Interesting point.

My shop, though not very successful, was probably unique. All my DM's except for one were cave divers and were pretty slick in the water. I won't say they were great cave/tech divers but their experience beyond recreational diving certainly made them great recreational divers. The one DM who had no cave or tech background dived like she did because otherwise she would just look like crap. No one there learned their skills in any kind of recreational training.

That said, spending lots of time in the pool and on shallow dives did nothing but help them all stay sharp. Any one of them could stay horizontal 6 inches from the bottom, remove and replace a mask and remain 6 inched from the bottom.

All in all, to really hone fine dive skills in a training environment you'll usually have to go beyond any of the recreational agency offerings. That's what I was hinting at in an earlier post when I said there were other options. I don't mean to encourage technical diving especially to those who don't have any interest there but decent dive skills just aren't taught very often in recreational training. Sad as it is, it's a fact.

Maybe someday the agencies will offer something to those who really want to learn it well.
 
Have been doing DM as a candidate forever it seems like. Every time I schedule some time to get things done it gets pushed back in favor of newbies who may buy alot of gear. If you want to DM be prepared to get taken advantage of alot. Yeah there are some perks, free air, gear discounts, etc. But does it all work out. Last weekend I assisted with 8 OW students I got 2 nitrox tanks and 2 regualr air fills( worth about 30 bucks). The weekend cost me 80 for hotel room(2 nights), 68.00 gas round trip(145 miles one way to the lake), 20 bucks for food for the potluck (which it seemed others brought stuff I could not eat), and another 15 in order to eat. so for roughly 175 bucks I got to do 8 dives, three of which I actually enjoyed when a DIR buddy showed up and we took off while the newbies, instructor, and other DM candidates "talked about diving" while we actually dove. Otherwise I would not have gotten into the water until after 11:30 am( we got to the lake at 8:30). I also got to hang off the platform while the newbies did skills in 90 degree water fighting to stay awake it seemed like. At one point I had to have one of the others take over and get out of the water because after watching number 6 do mask clearing and fin pivot I got so bored that I was no longer an asset due to my lack of attention and therefore rather than endanger anyone I new it was time for me to get out. Maybe it's because of how long it taking me or because of how many I see here on the board getting DM in 2,4, or even 6 months since I joined that I've gotten real disillusioned with the whole thing. I'm having more fun and learning more diving with a couple guys who are very experienced and one who has taken and passed fundies and they have helped me to enjoy it again. Diving as a DM every time we went was getting real old, being told I could not solo was getting real old, getting those "looks" when I wanted to practice shooting a bag, switching to my pony for an ascent, or carrying a reel and lift bag just because I wanted to get used to the configuration and determine where to carry them on my setup was getting a little annoying. No I don't need all that stuff when working with OW students but I don't plan on just diving with students. It's one of the reasons I have stopped going to every pool session unless I'm able to work on some skills of my own. I've been trying to get a couple swims in for months and evry time it's been the same. Well class ran over and we don't have time for your timed swims. Or after working an 8 hour shift then helping in the pool for 3 hours it was ok time for 800 yd swim! Yeah like I'm really ready for this now! Did it anyway but dang!
Sorry for the rant but it's gotten to the point where if it was not for the time and money already invested I'd be saying screw it and going Diver0001's route. I just got off the phone last night with another instructor(TDI) about doing my advanced nitrox and deco. When I finally do finish DM I'll get the insurance to recoup some of my investment in the form of small income and tax writeoffs but at this point even that is iffy.
And master diver. if it's PADI I stopped worrying about that card when, again it's taken forever for my lds to get my paperwork sent in to get the cards I've earned to get the cert. I've got my rescue, I've got the signatures and dates in my logbook in courses completed for deep, uw nav, drysuit, nitrox and equip specialist. Those were what I felt would help the most in going for DM and they have. But when I see that you can get the rating with deep, uw nav, and stuff like bugeye mask, naturalist, boat?(c'mon now!), drift diver?, god knows what other money making specialty they'll come up with , it just does not seem to mean very much to have it.
 
I have been thinking of of both, too.

That way you could be a Dive Master, Master Diver.

Just like the character in "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" who is the Burger Meister Meister Burger!!!!

LOL :lol: :eyebrow: :monkeydan

Boy I crack myself up!

I actually have better motives than that for thinking about Dive Master, but this is the funniest one!
 
If you are active...cary insurance. I do:
I'm not a DM, but am CPR trained & I know that I will NOT be personally held liable nor sued in the case of a dive accident or any type of accident. It just happens to be the law here where I live. NOW, if I was to work on the victim & the victim died, THEN I could be held responsible & possibly sued. Not sure how it is in other states, but I'm safe here & I know that I'm even safer in International waters.
 
BarryNL:
I'd say you should show your Rescue card - what's the point in having rescue skills if no-one knows to call on you for help?

As a rescue diver, wouldn't you be prepared to observe when someone needs help? Just asking.
 
jagfish:
Coming in on this late, but training progression comparison...

PADI:
Master Diver (5 different dives, no test, card)
DM (professional, where the majority of knowledge develpment takes place)

NAUI:
Master Diver (8 different dives, test, where the majority of knowledge development happens in the NAUI progression)
DM (professional level)

The NAUI Master Diver seems to be a great program for the diver who wants to be all they can be, but not go pro.

Your statement with regards to the PADI Master Scuba Diver is not correct.
As someone else posted earlier, it is 5 specialties not 5 dives, and each specialty course may have an exam.
 
It sucks to hear so many people hating thier DMC expierence. I've been doing my class for about 6 months now (time constaints with other dive training) but so far have learned so much from the instructor i've been working with. I learned more about rec rescue doing a discover scuba with children then in my rescue class. You get what you put into it. I found whenever i get bored observing a class i'll just work more on my horizontal hovering or frog kicks. I went in knowing it was going to be a pain in the arse but just realized I really liked working with newer divers, they have less opinions.
 
Kev's First Mate:
As a rescue diver, wouldn't you be prepared to observe when someone needs help? Just asking.
Yeah... Generally, the person who needs to be rescued doesn't ask to see your c-card first.
 
howarde:
Yeah... Generally, the person who needs to be rescued doesn't ask to see your c-card first.

I have the card and don't feel particularly qualified to rescue because it's never come up IRL. I think that is where DM training would be superior because you do interact with students with problems. I have absolutely no desire to teach so I've never persued it. I think self rescue is the most important thing I learned in SSI Stress and Rescue.
 
TheRedHead:
I have the card and don't feel particularly qualified to rescue because it's never come up IRL. I think that is where DM training would be superior because you do interact with students with problems. I have absolutely no desire to teach so I've never persued it. I think self rescue is the most important thing I learned in SSI Stress and Rescue.
I'm sure that if it came down to it... you'd make the rescue. As would I. The only thing I wouldn't be able to do is CPR, since I'm not CPR certified, and that is serious. I would expect that any boat staff would be fully trained in CPR and O2.
 

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