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I did a nice dive this moring and then went to visit some people at their work. The work site was having a blood drive. That got me to wondering. Is there any concerns or risk with giving blood one to two hours after a dive? Or giving blood the day before a dive?
 
pasley:
I did a nice dive this moring and then went to visit some people at their work. The work site was having a blood drive. That got me to wondering. Is there any concerns or risk with giving blood one to two hours after a dive? Or giving blood the day before a dive?

I have been meaning to ask this very question to DAN, for some time now. They are the only/correct people to evaluate this risk.

However, here is what I think/practice. Dehydration is the leading factor to predispose a diver to DCS, and blood donation is a pretty serious form of dehydration. Both dissolved gas transport and oxygen transport via hemoglobin would be restricted after blood donation. I am both a cave diver and blood donor, and I do not do any decompression profiles for several weeks after donating blood. I wait a minimum of 2 weeks before any diving after blood donation and 4 weeks before any decompression diving. I think donating immediately after diving would certainly increase your risks of DCS, and you should seriously consider waiting a minimum of 24 hrs before donating.

Safe Diving!

T-Dog
 
My doctor told me to wait 72 hours after donating blood to dive.
 
I am pretty sure there is another thread about this and Dr. Deco responded. I am pretty sure that he said there were really no issues but please don't take my word on what he said. I will see what I can find and repost.
 
pasley:
I did a nice dive this moring and then went to visit some people at their work. The work site was having a blood drive. That got me to wondering. Is there any concerns or risk with giving blood one to two hours after a dive? Or giving blood the day before a dive?

Here is what our ScubaDoc has to say about diving after donation:


"Divers often donate blood and need to know when to resume diving. This article is meant to provide information to help answer those questions. This information should apply to any type of diving since the effect depends on the hemoglobin in the red blood cell mass rather than the partial pressures of gases.

How long must a diver wait after blood donation before diving?

The donor’s body replenishes the fluid lost from donation in 24 hours. If not anemic (Hgb<12 Gm/dl)a person can dive in 24 hours after blood donation. It may take up to two months to replace the lost red blood cells. Whole blood can be donated once every eight weeks. The most important part of the blood to the diver is the red blood cell, responsible for the transport of oxygen to the tissues. The fluid part of blood is replenished in about one day. If the diver waits 24 hours and has a normal hematocrit, then diving should be allowed.

Red blood cells are perhaps the most recognizable component of whole blood. Red blood cells contain hemoglobin, a complex iron-containing protein that carries oxygen throughout the body and gives blood its red color. The percentage of blood volume composed of red blood cells is called the “hematocrit.” The average hematocrit in an adult male is 47 percent. There are about one billion red blood cells in two to three drops of blood, and, for every 600 red blood cells, there are about 40 platelets and one white cell. Manufactured in the bone marrow, red blood cells are continuously being produced and broken down. They live for approximately 120 days in the circulatory system and are eventually removed by the spleen.

Is there a way to donate blood products and still be able to dive immediately?

Yes, through apheresis. This is the process of removing a specific component of the blood, such as platelets, and returning the remaining components, such as red blood cells and plasma, to the donor. This process allows more of one particular part of the blood to be collected than could be separated from a unit of whole blood. Apheresis is also performed to collect plasma (liquid part of the blood) and granulocytes (white blood cells).

Is there a way to shorten the time interval before red blood cell replenishment after blood donation?

Yes - Approximately 10 percent of body iron stores are removed with each donation. When appropriate, iron supplements can be prescribed for patients making donations to help increase red blood cell count. Erythropoietin, a hormone, can also be given to stimulate the bone marrow into producing more red blood cells."


Erythrocyte recovery, however, really is not the primary issue in return to scuba--replacement of blood volume is.

BTW, I've seen DAN recommend a wait of 72 hours, which strikes me as exceptionally conservative in an otherwise healthy indiivdual who is properly rehydrating and feels fully up to scuba.

As for donation after diving, a wait of 24 hours seems reasonable as well (risk is to yourself, not the donee).

One may submit questions to DAN at 919-684-2948 (Monday through Friday, 9am to 5pm EST) or http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/contact/email.asp?RE=Medicine

If you inquire of DAN, please let the forum know what you hear.

This is educational only and does not constitute or imply a doctor-patient relationship. It is not medical advice to you or any other individual, and should not be construed as such.

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
DocV,

Thanks for the info and the link - it answered a long-standing question in the back of my mind. I geuss for once i was being overly conservative.
 
How about the other way around?
How long after diving should one wait to give blood? What are the effects of having nitrogen in the blood, or the possibility of having DCS in the blood?
 
dsaxe01:
How about the other way around?
How long after diving should one wait to give blood? What are the effects of having nitrogen in the blood, or the possibility of having DCS in the blood?


1. (Q) “How about the other way around? How long after diving should one wait to give blood?”

(A) I know of no research or expert guidance on this topic, but here is a quote from my post above:

"As for donation after diving, a wait of 24 hours seems reasonable as well (risk is to yourself, not the donee). One may submit questions to DAN at 919-684-2948 (Monday through Friday, 9am to 5pm EST) or http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/c...asp?RE=Medicine"

The theoretical concern is the possible adverse effect of blood fluid reduction very soon after a dive, especially as it relates to
off-gassing.

2. (Q) "What are the effects of having nitrogen in the blood, or the possibility of having DCS in the blood?”

(A) I’m not quite clear what you mean by this as there is no such entity as “DCS in the blood.” Decompression sickness (DCS) is a condition or diagnosis based on signs & symptoms which as a rescue diver I'm sure you are familiar. These can include rashes, itching or bubbles under the skin, joint pain, motor & sensory disturbances, dizziness, fatigue, chest pain, cough & shortness of breath. None of these is “in blood.”

If you are referring to potential adverse effects upon a person who receives blood containing excess nitrogen, there does not appear to be any compelling basis for worry. Given the time & processing of the blood that will have occurred between the dive and a patient actually receiving the donation, all excess nitrogen will almost certainly have been eliminated.

This is educational only and does not constitute or imply a doctor-patient relationship. It is not medical advice to you or any other individual, and should not be construed as such.

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
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