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One of my concerns about kids diving is that parents won't buy the equipment. I recently sold a underwater camera to a young lad for his holiday in Israel. His mom would happily buy the camera, but would not buy a similar priced BCD because "he'd outgrow it".

I've seen a kid climb out of an inland quarry in an outsize wetsuit looking hypothermic to me. Her father (complete with his very expensive 4 wheel drive) failed to notice how cold she was, presumably because he was insulated in a properly fitting quarter inch drysuit.

Anyone with experience of rental kit, certainly in the destinations popular with Europeans, like the Red Sea, can attest to the poor state the gear is often in. I wouldn't use it. So oddly enough I would not be willing to risk putting a loved one in it.

A futher issue with rental kit is it takes time to get used to. BCDs are particularly difficult because the location and operation of inflate and dump valves and releases varies so much. I used to review dive gear for a British magazine and it was the BCDs that caused the most trouble.

Defensive diving dictates you have kit suitable for the task, that fits, is properly maintained and with which you are thoroughly familiar. I'm not sure which of these criteria rental kit usually satisfies.

It frightens me that parents are willing to put their own children into an equipment situation that most experienced divers, divemasters and instructors would not tolerate for themselves. It beggars belief that they'll do it simply as a cost cutting exercise.

Bottom line is if you want your kid to dive you have to seek out the best training and spend the money on the right equipment. If people are not prepared to do that I don't think their kids should be diving.

Now can anyone help ME? I'm stuck here in England and don't see to many US magazines. I've seen a lot of promotion to get children to dive, but not much about the risks. Can anyone give me any leads on articles that have covered this?

And changing the subject completely - anyone been left behind by a dive boat?

Cheers

Steve.




 
Hi junior (& Steve Warren),

The "Undercurrent" article referenced in my above post of 07-23-01 will actually be appearing in the next, or Sep '01, edition.

Sorry.

DocVikingo
 
Using the young lady that perished in the aircraft accident may be somewhat related to young people diving. Most people do not know that Jessica Dubroff and her father were killed by a very stupid flight instructor who was at her side and most likely at the controls during the fatal flight. His goals were publicity, not safety, and those goals killed 4 people that day, including himself. He also exceeded the limits of his aircraft, himself, and broke several Federal Aviation Regulations in the process.

I am a pilot and my spouse is a Master Certified Flight Instructor (only two female Master CFIs in the state of Florida), so I know my subject. We also have two children that were certified to dive at around age 12. We severely limited their diving to the number of dives (one trip each year) and the maximum depth (40 ft) due to the basic fact that no one knows what happens to developing bones when Nitrogen is absorbed. My children are not research subjects.

Diving is a lot of fun, for adults and children, but you have to know the risks and respect the situation you are putting yourself. Most children do not understand the risks and do not respect the situation. It is the responsibility of their parents to know these things and act accordingly. This last paragraph is my opinion there are age limits by certification agencies.
 
Just a note from a mom and a Scuba Ranger Instructor. We all know how much is involved with being underwater and aware of our situation while there. This being said, I have one child (14) who is certified, one that is a Scuba Ranger (11), one that is starting Scuba Rangers (8) and one that is an avid snorkeler (7). My Scuba Ranger is learning alot of the skills required to get open water certified and in the process is letting me see when he will be ready for certification. IMHO, 10 yrs. old is too young for full OW certification. I understand that every child is different and I believe it would have alot to do with the skills of the childs parent or buddy. In Scuba Rangers and the PADI Seal programs, children are under the direct supervision of qualified instructors that are there to teach and encourage the children without the pressure of having to "perfect" all the skills that are necessary for OW certification. Most children don't have many problems with any of the skills and usually have better buoyancy than the adults I work with. They have many opportunities to get in the pool and "play" while they are learning to love the sport of
scuba. Just my .02 worth.

Dive often and safe
ScubaLadee
 
I've two children of my own, 19 & 14, and have been around hundreds of youth thru organizations and activities by being a leader or chaperone. Honestly, I haven't known any 12 year old who has the maturity I think should be required to be fully OW certified to dive on their own. A restricted classification, yes, but not an open-ended invitation.

With the OW card, two 14 year olds could go diving together. Do you really think they'd be able to keep from panicking should real trouble arise? I doubt it.

I had intended to do a father-son certification for my son's 16th birthday. After hearing (shortly before his birthday) of two youngsters who drowned while diving offshore (Florida, I think), I thought better of the idea.

Admittedly, I'm new to diving. I just don't think that giving a 12 year old an open invitation to go down to 40 feet is a good idea. And, I doubt many dive operators would want to take on the liability unless they were with an adult.
 
im not sure about other angencies but PADI does not let a 10yr old or 12 yr old for that fact dive alone. If your 14 or under you are required to be with a certified adult, and if your under 12 you are required to dive with a dive professional or parent not just ANY adult certified. I dont have a problem certifying a student who is 10 or 12 or 14 for that fact if they can show they are competent. Does that mean i think they should be able to dive alone? NO! but where i have i problem is the adults who are supervising these children. I think they should be held to a higher standard and required to at least be rescue certified or something along that line.
 
Hi junior,

"The Minds and Bodies of Children
-- are they really suited to scuba?
from the September, 2001 issue of Undercurrent

Make no mistake. More children at increasingly younger ages are going scuba diving.

Many diving parents want their children to experience the colors, creatures, calm and curiosity of the underwater world. And, the dive industry wants to expand the market. By marketing diving to families and certifying children, the entire industry — the training agencies, the manufacturers, dive stores, and dive travel — benefits economically.

With an eye toward promoting the sport, in 1999 the Recreational Scuba Training Council, a standard - setting body whose membership is composed of training agencies, eliminated its recommended age of 15 for junior certification. No longer fettered by minimum age limits, several major training agencies lowered the age for extended dive experiences and conditional certifications. For example, today PADI’s “Seal Team” and SSI’s “Scuba Rangers” offer scuba experiences to children as young as age 8, and junior open water certification at age 10.

Despite the undeniable appeal of introducing youngsters to the underwater world and making scuba a family activity, several psychological and physiological reasons demand consideration in opening scuba to 8-year-olds.

To understand the psychological and physiological concerns requires recognizing the age variation at which children make the cognitive, behavioral and physical transition from one developmental stage to the next. In fact, this well-known variability itself forms a basis for questioning the policy of lowering ages.

Cognitive Issues
Among cognitive concerns is the child’s ability to acquire and manipulate information. According to Jean Piaget’s widely influential system, three developmental periods are germane to child scuba divers.

The first, the Pre-Operational stage, begins about age 2 and extends to about age 7. In the later years, a child has an intuitive though rudimentary grasp of some logical concepts. A child’s perceptions still dominate his judgment. He will tend to focus attention on one aspect of an object while ignoring others. He is unable to understand the principles underlying proper behavior, relying on the do’s and don’ts imposed by authority.

While it is uncommon, some children 8 and older are delayed in the Pre-Operational stage and the dive agencies have no explicit criteria for screening them out. But, a late-developing child could forget to continue to exhale while making an emergency ascent or may not place anothers’ safety on par with his own. It is up to the instructor (who could himself be a teenager of 18) to recognize cognitive immaturity and refuse to teach the child.

During the next, or Concrete Operational stage (covering approximately age 7-11 years), logical thought develops. But it remains dependent upon concrete referents. While the child is developing the ability to appreciate concepts such as length, mass and volume, and to arrange objects in a logical sequence, it remains linked to objects present — not objects in the abstract. One can assume that the child at age 11 is much more capable than the child at age 8 in this stage.

The new policy for PADI, SSI and others clearly allows children in the Concrete Operational stage (7-11 years) to enroll in scuba programs. The risks are not inconsequential. For example, a child in this period may be able to understand basic scuba theories such as Boyle’s law and solve a few problems. However, he will be unable to hypothesize from such principles and extend them to a wider application — such as appreciating that an empty tank may allow for a few more breaths as one ascends. More worrisome, when faced with a scuba emergency, such as a BC inflator mechanism stuck in the open position, they will unlikely be able to generate multiple solutions to the situation. And, they would unlikely be able to select the best alternative: attempting to vent the BC continuously rather than disconnecting the inflator hose.

In the final stage of Formal Operations (covering approximately age 11-15 years), thought gradually becomes less tied to concrete reality and becomes more abstract. The ability to generate abstract propositions and multiple hypotheses and assess their possible outcomes becomes evident. This development allows individuals to think about what might be, rather than just what is. The levels of cognitive ability evident when a child completes this stage are those most appropriate to safe scuba.

Behavioral Issues
Children are notorious for being exuberant, impulsive and feeling invincible. These are normal childhood traits that typically aren’t mastered until the mid to late teens, or even later. This has obvious implications for the appreciation and avoidance of risk — and the ability to act as a responsible dive buddy.

Physical Issues
Patent foramen ovale (PFO): During fetal development, blood flows through a small opening between the right and left upper chambers of the heart. The lungs are inoperative and the mother oxygenates blood. At birth, however, this opening is supposed to close, shunting blood to the now-functioning lungs. While this “hole in the heart” usually seals by the third month of life, it does not always. Estimates of incomplete closures in older children and younger teens run higher than 50 percent in certain groups. Whatever the exact figures, the research suggests an increased incidence of PFO as age decreases below 20.

Without complete closure, blood can flow from the right to the left side of the heart without passing through the lungs. Increases in right chamber pressure that occur with common equalization techniques like the Valsalva maneuver — squeezing your nose, closing your mouth, and blowing — can move blood through the hole and bypass the lungs. When this happens, nitrogen bubbles that can form in the bloodstream may pass directly into the arteries and not be filtered by the lungs. This of course can lead to an embolism or DCS.

Possible retardation of bone growth: Long bones, like the humerus and femur, mature from growth plates, the active ends of bones where increases in length occur. The last of the growth plates generally do not cease activity until the late teens or early twenties. As these growth plates depend upon nearby blood vessels for oxygen and nutrition, physicians have long been concerned that nitrogen bubbles in the bloodstream may result in damage to these critical tissues. In addition, the development of bone and connective tissue involves molecular oxygen, raising the possible adverse effects of the elevation of oxygen partial pressures occurring during diving.

Heat regulation: Due to a relatively large skin mass to body mass ratio, children do not regulate body heat as well as adults. Until the mid-teens or so, youth are far more vulnerable to hypothermia. And, alarmingly, a child may be hypothermic yet have no complaints, and still feel warm to the touch.

Eustachian tube development: In younger children, the Eustachian tube is narrower and more horizontal than later in development. While this is unlikely to be problematic in children over age 12, it has implications for equalizing, including potentially damaging reverse squeeze, for children closer to age 8. Furthermore, young divers with immature Eustachian tubes may be subject to more frequent middle ear infections. Since a diver must be able to clear his ears safely and comfortably, a person with a middle ear infection should not dive. So, a child must recognize it, tell someone, and not dive.

The Response of the Dive Training Community
The positions of several agencies are based on conclusions expressed by John Kinsella, Director, Training and Quality Management of PADI America, in his article entitled “Kids and Diving” (The PADI Undersea Journal — First Quarter, 2001). After reviewing the evidence for potential medical concerns expressed by DAN, he concluded: “There is insufficient information available to make any evidence-based medical judgment for or against children in scuba diving.”

SSI allows children as young as age 8 to have a shallow water scuba experience in their “Scuba Rangers” program. Children 10 to 12 may receive a junior open water certification with certain limitations. Once they turn 15, they may upgrade to a regular open water diver. Those 12 and older are eligible to become a Nitrox specialty diver.

When we asked Dennis M. Pulley, SSI Director of Training, about their program, he told us that “SSI is aware of medical and psychological concerns in divers as young as 12.” However, he cited the RSTC position that medical experts are unable to provide any documentation or proof why an individual must be at least 12 years of age to begin scuba training. Pulley also remarked that, “Psychologically, one could argue that many young males between the ages of 16 and 30 could have the same attitude of being invincible.”

It is true that many theoretical medical and behavioral concerns have not been subjected to controlled studies on humans. And may never. The ethical issues are obvious. For those issues that may be studied, it will be a long and painstaking process, as evidenced by how difficult gathering useful data on DCS has been.

It seems, then, to drop the training age with no longitudinal, hard data about the effect on children is questionable at best. Historically, the response of training agencies to incomplete knowledge has been to err on the side of safety. Think about how the agencies have treated dive tables for all gases, how they fought against Nitrox because it was unsafe and unstudied, how conservative they have been on dive-to-fly estimations, depth limits, and clearance to dive for medical disorders that may pose a risk to scuba divers. Yet the leadership in this conservative industry has taken a “relaxed” attitude regarding the diving safety of children.

However, while there may be no formal studies of the effect of diving on children, PADI and European-based CMAS have long offered swimming pool scuba to children as young as age 4, and restricted open water certification for those to age 8. To date, the results cause no alarm. Even allowing for the extent to which good PR may influence disclosure of adverse events, if children were sustaining harm in significant numbers, liability issues would presumably force this information into the open.

To their credit, PADI and SSI have taken sensible steps to address medical and developmental concerns. For example, the Seal Team, Bubblemaker and Scuba Rangers programs are restricted to a pool or pool-like environment. Both agencies require that certified divers ages 10-11 be accompanied by a certified parent, legal guardian, or professional dive leader, and limit maximum depth to 40 feet. We should note, however, that while these depth limits do control the partial pressures of nitrogen and oxygen, an embolism can occur in as little as four feet of water. PADI has taken special educational efforts to alert instructors to the safety issues. And while current instructors haven’t been trained to certify children but still can, future instructors will find extensive material incorporated into upcoming revised Instructor Development Courses.

Nonetheless, not all agencies have been willing to embrace scuba experiences for kids. Neither NAUI nor the YMCA — both nonprofit organizations in contrast with PADI and SSI —offer scuba programs for children less than 12 years of age. Frank Toal, of the NAUI training office, told Undercurrent that the agency found the medical and developmental concerns sufficiently compelling to preclude consideration of scuba for those less than age 12. Additionally, NAUI’s junior scuba certification, for ages 12-14, imposes a 60-foot maximum depth limit and requires supervision by a certified diver age 18 or older.

Such reservations are not limited to these two training agencies and many experts have been outspoken in their opposition (see sidebar). World-recognized dive medicine expert Dr. Ernest Campbell has expressed misgivings about allowing his children to be certified at a young age, and said that he probably would have waited until their midteens if he had it to do again.

So, what’s a parent to do?
Admittedly the issues are complex. Yet it is clear, children face greater risks than adults. Parents or guardians must be thorough and responsible when considering whether to enroll in a PADI or SSI program.

Any child being considered for a compressed air at depth experience or scuba certification should receive a pediatric examination with the expressed purpose of clearance for diving. The child’s psychological maturity for diving should be evaluated through open and honest discussions between the child, parent or guardian, and a knowledgeable instructor. If any party has substantial reservations, wait until these resolve. Under no circumstances should an unwilling child be coerced into scuba. If all signs are go, make sure the youngster has gear he or she can manage, wears adequate thermal protection, and is enrolled in a class of similar aged children. Finally, for those children receiving certifications with restrictions, ensure that all conditions are scrupulously observed. Attend the classes with your child and if you have any doubts about the child, the instructor, or the class, work them out or consider other classes later.

—Doc Vikingo"

Enjoy.

DocVikingo
 
Nice article, Doc..
One addition that I'd like to see is SSI's rule for junior divers 12-15, which is to dive with a "certified adult diver." (so no, two 14 year olds can't go off by themselves)
SSI also has a special risk awareness video that's required for kids and their parents.
Additionally, I always have a private session with all my junior divers' parents before certification, where I emphasize that a junior diver is still a child, and no matter how good a diver they may appear to be, they are not repeat not to be considered a "buddy" in the normal sense of the word, but a child that bears constant watching. I tell 'em if they want a real buddy they'd better dive as a threesome with another adult along.
Rick
 
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