# divers-fatality's ratio

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this might be an odd question but:

does anyone know why people die every year? is it because they were not properly trained? or was it that they ignored the rules? can't there be rules that are more organised to promote safer diving.

a few friends of mine were certified a few months ago(OW).. they were taught the back-roll entry when they were about to do their dive. when i was in Canada and took my OW course. i took a test and passed it. these guys just signed up and got certified!

can't this be controlled?
 
DAN's accident report is pretty good. It doesn't cover all the accidents, but it's as inclusive as it can be. I remember reading that equipment was cited in 40% of the accidents a few years ago, but not that the equipment failed...it was that the user didn't know how to properly operate the equipment. Alcohol/drugs was cited in 15% or so. I attribute almost 100% to carelessness.
 
cdiver2:
A intresting fact to ponder when we talk about diver fatality's.
Even tho the number of fatalitys go up every year the growth of new divers far out number it.

source BSAC web site

I would expect fatalities to track # of dives, not # of divers. Interesting statistic, but it could just mean newer divers aren't diving that much.

diver371:
does anyone know why people die every year? is it because they were not properly trained? or was it that they ignored the rules? can't there be rules that are more organised to promote safer diving.

whitedragon13:
DAN's accident report is pretty good. It doesn't cover all the accidents, but it's as inclusive as it can be. I remember reading that equipment was cited in 40% of the accidents a few years ago, but not that the equipment failed...it was that the user didn't know how to properly operate the equipment. Alcohol/drugs was cited in 15% or so. I attribute almost 100% to carelessness.

Like whiteDragon says, the DAN accident report is the best source, if you have a DAN membership. I've read many, many reports, and what struck me is a large # of deaths seemed to be in divers with heart problems, or people who were very out of shape. Also, a lot of new divers, and a lot of divers who had hundreds of dives. Some equipment issues, some carelessness. But certainly not 100% carelessness. Diving can be dangerous, just like driving a car is.

There will always be people who exceed guidelines, depths, recommendations, etc. no matter what the activity. (Especially men, for biological reasons). We can try to educate people better. But I don't think rules are the answer. I don't know how things work in the UAE, but here in the USA we like to make decisions for ourselves, the less rules, the better. I certainly wouldn't like you telling me what rules to follow when I go diving (no offense towards you meant at all), and I wouldn't want to tell you what to do either. Maybe instead of rules, you meant guidelines.

Scott
 
diver371:
a few friends of mine were certified a few months ago(OW).. they were taught the back-roll entry when they were about to do their dive.

I fail to see the link between backward roll entries and death.
 
cdiver2:
A intresting fact to ponder when we talk about diver fatality's.
Even tho the number of fatalitys go up every year the growth of new divers far out number it.

source BSAC web site

Check your DAN numbers (I can't see your BSAC).

U.S. diver deaths have been virtually static for 30 years.

Around 88 deaths a year, average, 40% of which, IIRC, is attributed to natural causes.

That's out of how many millions of divers, doing how many millions of dives.

You've got a better chance of winning the lottery.
 
Geez, we must have a fairly high percentage of the US diver deaths here in SoCal. There have been a number of deaths the past 6 months or so. Ouch. Of course we also have a fairly high number of divers here.

Dr. Bill
 
drbill:
Geez, we must have a fairly high percentage of the US diver deaths here in SoCal. There have been a number of deaths the past 6 months or so. Ouch. Of course we also have a fairly high number of divers here.

Dr. Bill

Actually, you do have a higher percentage, in my (anecdotal) observation. .

You also have more difficult diving.

Kelp and cold water, not something you run into in Pennecamp state park.

But the worst year we've had was 127, IIRC, so if you read about 50 diver deaths, it would appear epidemic (one a week), but would be far from it.

Last time I added and divided them was '02, and it was 88 a year.

So unless '03 and 04 were grossly abberant, the number stays pretty static.

With PADI alone issuing 200,000 new OW certs a year in the U.S., it indicates a pretty steady decline per capita.
 

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