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DiverGuard looks for skeptics bloggers/reporters

Discussion in 'Research and Development' started by DiverGuard, Jul 27, 2013.

  1. danvolker

    danvolker Dive Shop

    # of Dives: I'm a Fish!
    Location: Lake Worth, Florida, United States
    OK, I will throw a bone to the Diverguard guys :)

    If they wanted to market this product to be used with the CCR Rebreathers, then suddenly much of it's functionality would make sense.
    One of the dominant cause of death failures on the CCR's is hypoxia from failed 02 injection, or incorrect mix....which cause loss of consciousness and a failure to breath....
    This product WOULD have potentially saved several of the dead CCR divers, particularly the ones that were diving solo ( as long as a boat or crew was scanning the surfAce in their area.
    Ultimately, there is no arguing that a real Dive Buddy would be the far better investment ( time investment)----but we do know that there are many CCR divers that prefer to dive solo--so this would be a valid emergency system for them.
    Solotor likes this.
  2. DevonDiver

    DevonDiver N/A

    # of Dives: 5,000 - ∞
    Location: Subic Bay, Philippines
    btw.... I found this hilariously apt :wink:
  3. Wookie

    Wookie Secret Field Agent ScubaBoard Business Sponsor

    Getting to the surface is not enough, although it's a start. I haven't seen too many rebreather divers in poodle jackets, and as far as I know, only a ScubaPro classic BCD has enough front buoyancy to even begin to float you face up. That's why the CG doesn't recognize BCD's as lifejackets. I do not want to get into an argument with you about floatation devices, your position is well known.

    I don't really see much difference with an unconscious diver drowning at depth and an unconscious diver drowning at the surface. If a diver is unresponsive so that this thing inflates their buoyancy device, they are still going to be unresponsive even if they get to air. By then they may be unresponsive and embolized or bent.

    The upside of this device is dubious at best, although I'll never stand in the way of anyone throwing money at a problem that doesn't exist, but IMHO the potential downsides and danger of it's actual use and the potential for a newer diver to thing that it may actually save their life far outweighs any positive effect it may have. I believe in my heart of hearts it will kill way more divers than it saves. But what do I know? I bought a big damn boat.
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  4. Tom Winters

    Tom Winters Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 5,000 - ∞
    Location: Boca Raton, FL
    I look at stuff to invest in on indiegogo all the time. I'd have to give this doodad a pass though. It's better than the autonomic reef repair robots - that just sounded like a funded vacation in Belize.

    I couldn't tell if the the device was worth a look because your boilerplate stuff in the write-up was so specious.
  5. DevonDiver

    DevonDiver N/A

    # of Dives: 5,000 - ∞
    Location: Subic Bay, Philippines
    I don't know what you're worried about....

    Nick A, divad, chrpai and 2 others like this.
  6. DiverGuard

    DiverGuard Angel Fish


    As you know, almost any new diving equipment was very unwelcome in the diving world.

    It started with the air pressure gauge (divers feared that it will blow up...) continued with the power inflator (divers feared that it will auto inflates the BCD.... and in addition it will consume air from the tank ...) and then to the second stage octopus had difficult reception (it simply unnecessary).

    As you know, today we are using all the above.

    As you know in every market there are early adopters who like to buy new equipment before others and people which wait to see what will happen with the new equipment /technology.

    DevonDiver, as a very professional diver which likes the way he dives today, I can understand your point of view. You don't like dramatic changes, it's OK. But i promise to do my best to improve the diving safety and i believe that even if it will take time, any diver is going to dive with auto safety device. It could be DiverGuard or something else - but the technology moves forward and it should be used for improving the divers' pleasure and safety.

    I hope that you understand my position, and in case that you want to respond to it - please respond in a practical manner.

    Solotor likes this.
  7. Wookie

    Wookie Secret Field Agent ScubaBoard Business Sponsor

    Please address how this safety device will help an unresponsive diver on the surface without buddy intervention, cause if my buddy goes rocketing to the surface without me, I'm not following him. 2 victims does not make the problem better.
  8. Doubler

    Doubler Loggerhead Turtle

    # of Dives:
    Location: Bremerton, WA
    Soooooo did you find your skeptics?:wink:

    I remember a tank valve that would only allow breaths after 500 psi if ascending. Didn't work out so well for many divers. Imagine being in Truk, holding ones breath as we photographers are apt to do, trying to get shots of R2D2, and Diverguard decides to send you on up into the overhead with it's dangling cables not a pretty picture. And your statement about divers worrying about inflators auto inflating when they first were introduced so you decide to take the next step and make that happen.

    The color you picked makes it look cheap and more like a toy than serious equipment. What is the fail safe mode?
  9. archman

    archman Marine Scientist

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Florida
    This device would be a lot less terrifying to divers if its functionality was restricted to the alarms.
  10. Dr. Lecter

    Dr. Lecter Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: NYC/Honolulu
    Do not give these geniuses any ideas that might lead to the rest of us having to listen to this :censored: underwater.

    Plus,the auto-inflate function goes well with the alarms: how else will the bodies of those who inflict such sounds on innocent divers be found?
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