Diver to diver etiquette

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You said that you asked the crew to tell everyone to "not grab the coral", but did you let them know that this specific guy was doing it. Most dive crews are very protective of their dive environment since their livelihood depends on it.

Also, you said he "came up with a very low amout of pressure in his tank (to the point of damage to the cylinder...". it's true the dive shops don't like you to empty the tank. But there is no "point of damage to the cylinder" unless you can breathe the cylinder down to such a massive negative pressure that it colapses. :)

Generally, if you have a dolt onboard, you should just keep your distance from him/her. If you observe dangerous behavior, mention it (quietly) to the crew. It is their responsibility to control the group. When you talk to the crew, be specific about what you saw. Don't expect them to berate the offender in front of everyone. Just because you don't see them scolding the offender doesn't mean they didn't. Most professional dive leaders will talk to problem-divers privately.

In fact, I'd have some reservations about a dive leader that berates a customer in front of other customers.

If you insist on approaching another diver about their behavior, again, you should do so privately. If you do anything to make them lose face in public, it just escalates their need to be defiant. Try not to be accusatory. Don't just say "Hey! Don't do that!". You should approach it in a more constructive way. "By the way, did you know those sea fans are soft corals and the slightest touch can make them die?" or "Say, have you ever heard of the one finger approach? If you need to steady yourself on the reef, find as bare a patch of rock as you can find and plant a single finger in the spot to slow your movement."
 
I'm definitely up for the dive rage course. If there's an SB flavoured one then so much the better.

Well maybe I'll write a PADI specialty for this one???
 
Well maybe I'll write a PADI specialty for this one???

Kneeling on the bottom, demonstrate 'accosting' skill.
 
Kneeling on the bottom, demonstrate 'accosting' skill.
Not sure on skills yet but it'll probably be under the Dork Diver certs
 
I am a new diver and have had a couple of surprising incidents. Toward the end of my first dive trip to the Grand Caymans I got to experience an unpleasant diver (speedo, all rental gear except a short-sword for diving knife) that on the first dive went to +150'. I posted a comment about this after I got back. He was unavoidable at the dive resort and his antics (body language & discussion topics included talking about suicide and heavy drinking before dives) set +30 divers on edge. I was unfortunately thrust into having a public confrontation that resulted in several other divers weighing in. He posed a danger to everyone, and took the fun out of the trip while he was on the dives. A number of us pulled the dive masters aside for conversations...by the next morning he was ejected from the dive resort.

Another memorable event was diving the Comal, a small river in Texas (max Depth 12' with total length 1.5 miles) during "Trash Fest" in which divers volunteer to clean the river...there is a prize for the team with the most trash removed. One of our team members was yanked up by his yoke stem by a member of another team who thought we were in his area. People need to exercise common sense and courtesy. THat empty beer can isn't worth huritng someone's gear, ruining someone's trip, or the outcoming of angering a fellow diver. I don't claim to be a passivist...if it had been me I most likely would have stuffed him in my bag and put him on shore...

Talk first, but expect the worst. Be prepared for any backlash that might result. This is always been my reservation about doing a live-aboard trip. WIth my luck I would get stuck with a Yuri or Speedo Boy that I would be trying to ignore the entire trip... Wusaa Wusaa Wusaa
 
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Keep clear of him (her) or anyone who is a know-it-all. They are dangerous people with a dangerous attitude.

This is valid for every aspect of one's life.
 
Wow, I just checked back in and I am shocked at the number of reply's. Cat Fish Bob's reply makes lots of sense to me, thanks for this.

I will touch on a few more details since this seems to be a lively and healthy discussion.

You said that you asked the crew to tell everyone to "not grab the coral", but did you let them know that this specific guy was doing it. Most dive crews are very protective of their dive environment since their livelihood depends on it.

This was an all inclusive resort - most people were there with dive packages. I arrived a day later than the rest of the people on our boat and when I asked the DM to remind us "not to touch the coral" at our next briefing, he knew exactly who I was referring to. (I did point the specific diver out to the DM as well as to the management of the resort dive shop. I was surprised that there was no action taken as far as I could tell.)



Also, you said he "came up with a very low amout of pressure in his tank (to the point of damage to the cylinder...". it's true the dive shops don't like you to empty the tank. But there is no "point of damage to the cylinder" unless you can breathe the cylinder down to such a massive negative pressure that it colapses. :)

This came from the boat captian, not from me :)

Generally, if you have a dolt onboard, you should just keep your distance from him/her. If you observe dangerous behavior, mention it (quietly) to the crew. It is their responsibility to control the group. When you talk to the crew, be specific about what you saw. Don't expect them to berate the offender in front of everyone. Just because you don't see them scolding the offender doesn't mean they didn't. Most professional dive leaders will talk to problem-divers privately.

In fact, I'd have some reservations about a dive leader that berates a customer in front of other customers.
Yes, I agree. Also, I am a somewhat physically imposing fellow and I did not wish to look like the class bully, although I will admit I did feel like a tattle tail ! It was really due to the insistence of my dive buddy/better half that I did not say anything directly to this gentleman.


If you insist on approaching another diver about their behavior, again, you should do so privately. If you do anything to make them lose face in public, it just escalates their need to be defiant. Try not to be accusatory. Don't just say "Hey! Don't do that!". You should approach it in a more constructive way. "By the way, did you know those sea fans are soft corals and the slightest touch can make them die?" or "Say, have you ever heard of the one finger approach? If you need to steady yourself on the reef, find as bare a patch of rock as you can find and plant a single finger in the spot to slow your movement."

This is EXACTLY what I should have done/wanted to do but I could not find the words/way to do it. This is in line with what I learned in the Rescue Class - try an be empathetic as possible. However, given this diver's ego (it was not a subtle thing, I assure you) I was not sure even how to go about this even in private ... thanks for this thought I will remember it.

Next time I will privately and quietly use this constructive approach. Thanks for all the responses.

Cheers.
 
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Also, you said he "came up with a very low amout of pressure in his tank (to the point of damage to the cylinder...". it's true the dive shops don't like you to empty the tank. .....

Normally the DMs would not let you do the next dive if you came up from the previous with less than 50 bar left in your tank.
 
Also a few years ago, I was in Grand Cayman when a diver put on gloves while gearing up. The divemaster (I will name the operator--Ocean Frontiers) looked at him sternly and said that he could be fined up to $500,000 for wearing gloves while diving in Grand Cayman. He laughed. She didn't. She calmly said, "Take them off!" without a trace of a smile. He took them off.
I am in no way advocating its OK to touch the reef, but I was taught that gloves and knife are safety items
 
I am in no way advocating its OK to touch the reef, but I was taught that gloves and knife are safety items

Gloves and knives are not allowed in a number of dive areas, including Cozumel and Grand Cayman.
 

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