Diver found dead off Hollywood beach
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ScubaSteve
Wow.....what a DB
Once again we have a dead diver. We have no idea what happened and as yet no witnesses have come forward here. But based on some of the posts I think I can safely make some points.
1 Idiots do not solo dive- the majority of us who dive solo have elected to do so after very careful consideration of all the risks. We know our equipment because we have taken the time and initiative to do so. Those who are coming down on solo divers here so far are, based on their grasp of grammar and the english language, not people I would want to buddy up with. I'd be safer alone.
2 We do not know if the police have his identity yet. In cases like this they would rightly withhold this info especially from the so-called press until next of kin has been properly notified. "Journalists" are one step on the evolutionary ladder above buzzards. Look at the press that a recently deceased pedophile is getting.
3 When the facts do come out, if they show up here there will be plenty of time for analysis and informed, intelligent (punctuation, grammar), and experienced in some cases speculation. Which is good. A recently closed thread has been the subject of much debate, speculation, and thank the gods has opened the eyes of many clueless divers. This is a good thing. It inspired me to write the "Who is Responsible" treatise I now use with every class and has been posted with my permission on a number of other web pages.
4 It has been noted that not everyone knows their gear and how to maintain it. My students do! From OW on they know what steps to take to be sure they have properly functioning equipment. Can they tear their reg down? No. But they know what to look for in order to determine if it needs servicing. If you don't then your training sucked. If they want to go beyond and learn how fix simple things like a leaking HP spool or swap out hoses, replace a computer battery, and more in depth maintenance I offer an equipment maintenance and service class. It does not make them technicians but they will no longer have to run to the lds to put a hose on or make a minor fix.
5 When discussing an accident in this forum it is good to have some knowledge of what diving actually is and the many different forms it takes. These forms sometimes result in situations or conditions that pose more risk than others. To call any of them dumb, idiotic, stupid, foolish, or any other negative term demonstrates the narrowness of the posters experience and knowledge. What may seem stupid to one is indeed not to the person properly trained and experienced to undertake such a task. Many Ow divers coming out of so-called training have not been exposed either through experience or education to these different types. This is a result of again piss poor training and the dumbing down of it. Before one goes off on a rant about how dumb someone was for doing this or that they should do some research and get some actual knowledge.
6 This is not as safe a sport as some would have you believe!!People die. Many times it is diver error, sometimes it is a medical issue, rarely is it equipment but it does happen. When you put as many people, who are as poorly trained as many now with c cards, in the water there will be deaths. It is an alien enviroment hostile to human life. How many of your instructors told you that? How many told you it will kill you in sometimes very nasty ways? How many told you that you are getting the bare minimum in many cases to undertake this sport? Not many I'll wager. Why? Because then you might have to use the thing that they seem to want you to use the least these days. YOUR FRIGGIN BRAIN!
So look at how you were trained. Read. Research. LEARN. Then come back here and speculate on what is causing so many deaths or seems to be in the sport today. It may cause you to go back to your instructors and ask them why you got so little when you see you need so much.
1 Idiots do not solo dive- the majority of us who dive solo have elected to do so after very careful consideration of all the risks. We know our equipment because we have taken the time and initiative to do so. Those who are coming down on solo divers here so far are, based on their grasp of grammar and the english language, not people I would want to buddy up with. I'd be safer alone.
2 We do not know if the police have his identity yet. In cases like this they would rightly withhold this info especially from the so-called press until next of kin has been properly notified. "Journalists" are one step on the evolutionary ladder above buzzards. Look at the press that a recently deceased pedophile is getting.
3 When the facts do come out, if they show up here there will be plenty of time for analysis and informed, intelligent (punctuation, grammar), and experienced in some cases speculation. Which is good. A recently closed thread has been the subject of much debate, speculation, and thank the gods has opened the eyes of many clueless divers. This is a good thing. It inspired me to write the "Who is Responsible" treatise I now use with every class and has been posted with my permission on a number of other web pages.
4 It has been noted that not everyone knows their gear and how to maintain it. My students do! From OW on they know what steps to take to be sure they have properly functioning equipment. Can they tear their reg down? No. But they know what to look for in order to determine if it needs servicing. If you don't then your training sucked. If they want to go beyond and learn how fix simple things like a leaking HP spool or swap out hoses, replace a computer battery, and more in depth maintenance I offer an equipment maintenance and service class. It does not make them technicians but they will no longer have to run to the lds to put a hose on or make a minor fix.
5 When discussing an accident in this forum it is good to have some knowledge of what diving actually is and the many different forms it takes. These forms sometimes result in situations or conditions that pose more risk than others. To call any of them dumb, idiotic, stupid, foolish, or any other negative term demonstrates the narrowness of the posters experience and knowledge. What may seem stupid to one is indeed not to the person properly trained and experienced to undertake such a task. Many Ow divers coming out of so-called training have not been exposed either through experience or education to these different types. This is a result of again piss poor training and the dumbing down of it. Before one goes off on a rant about how dumb someone was for doing this or that they should do some research and get some actual knowledge.
6 This is not as safe a sport as some would have you believe!!People die. Many times it is diver error, sometimes it is a medical issue, rarely is it equipment but it does happen. When you put as many people, who are as poorly trained as many now with c cards, in the water there will be deaths. It is an alien enviroment hostile to human life. How many of your instructors told you that? How many told you it will kill you in sometimes very nasty ways? How many told you that you are getting the bare minimum in many cases to undertake this sport? Not many I'll wager. Why? Because then you might have to use the thing that they seem to want you to use the least these days. YOUR FRIGGIN BRAIN!
So look at how you were trained. Read. Research. LEARN. Then come back here and speculate on what is causing so many deaths or seems to be in the sport today. It may cause you to go back to your instructors and ask them why you got so little when you see you need so much.
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Police ID diver found dead off Hollywood beach (Sun-Sentinal)
Diver found dead off Hollywood beach - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
HOLLYWOOD - Police this afternoon released the identity of a diver who was found dead earlier today, floating about 200 yards from Hollywood beach.
Richard J. Losz, 37, of Hollywood, was pronounced dead after he was pulled to shore, near the 1300 block of South Ocean Drive, Hollywood police spokesman Lt. Manny Marino said.
Lifeguards were setting up a junior lifeguard camp at about 8:45 a.m., when they saw an object floating in the water.
They used boards to paddle out, realized the object they saw was a diver in full dive gear and brought him to shore.
Losz's body had no signs of trauma. Homicide detectives will await the results of an autopsy, but foul play is not suspected at this time, police said.
Diver found dead off Hollywood beach - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
HOLLYWOOD - Police this afternoon released the identity of a diver who was found dead earlier today, floating about 200 yards from Hollywood beach.
Richard J. Losz, 37, of Hollywood, was pronounced dead after he was pulled to shore, near the 1300 block of South Ocean Drive, Hollywood police spokesman Lt. Manny Marino said.
Lifeguards were setting up a junior lifeguard camp at about 8:45 a.m., when they saw an object floating in the water.
They used boards to paddle out, realized the object they saw was a diver in full dive gear and brought him to shore.
Losz's body had no signs of trauma. Homicide detectives will await the results of an autopsy, but foul play is not suspected at this time, police said.
There are also some people who have no one to tell. What if he was divorced and his ex was a bitch. Why should he tell her anything. Or maybe it was standard practice for him to dive when and where he wanted. Some people are lucky that they do not have to account for themselves 24/7.
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4 It has been noted that not everyone knows their gear and how to maintain it. My students do! From OW on they know what steps to take to be sure they have properly functioning equipment. Can they tear their reg down? No. But they know what to look for in order to determine if it needs servicing. If you don't then your training sucked. If they want to go beyond and learn how fix simple things like a leaking HP spool or swap out hoses, replace a computer battery, and more in depth maintenance I offer an equipment maintenance and service class. It does not make them technicians but they will no longer have to run to the lds to put a hose on or make a minor fix.
good point but I disagree.
a C card is like a drivers license. The training may be good and the instructor completely qualified to teach, however what the new diver does or what bad habits he may develop is completely his own responsibility. If the student meets the requirements and passes the test then he gets the card..........What he does after that is up to him or her
good point but I disagree.
a C card is like a drivers license. The training may be good and the instructor completely qualified to teach, however what the new diver does or what bad habits he may develop is completely his own responsibility. If the student meets the requirements and passes the test then he gets the card..........What he does after that is up to him or her
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