Diver assaults another diver underwater

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Are you serious? Go to jail for taking someones regulator out. You people need to chill. It's not a big deal you just put it back in. In fact, you have two to choose from.
Settle down SCUBA police.

The guy was trying to make a living and was being harassed by the damn enviro-nazi's. This radical approach similar to the Sea Shepherd is not OK. They are out to make headlines to further their agenda and all the sheep fall for it. I guarantee you there is more to the story but you will never hear it. Poor me I was attacked (after provoking) Ban this, ban that.
What do you want the guy to do for a living if they ban his job. Go on welfare?

Are you saying that if I do this to you in 50ft, you will be welcoming me doing it to you?? Or are you saying if I ever see you videoing me, it is OK for me to smash your camera?? Anytime you don't want other to do something to you, you must NOT do the same thing to other!!!

And you must first understand why his job will ever get banned if what he is doing is legal and legit.
 
Are you saying that if I do this to you in 50ft, you will be welcoming me doing it to you?? Or are you saying if I ever see you videoing me, it is OK for me to smash your camera?? Anytime you don't want other to do something to you, you must NOT do the same thing to other!!!

And you must first understand why his job will ever get banned if what he is doing is legal and legit.

What I got out of his post is that he thinks there is more to the story/video than is being portrayed by the poor victim with 10,000 dives

And I tend to agree with him.


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Not that I am defending this in any way.. however...


If this guy goes to the klink for attempted murder, there should probably be a whole lot of nervous scuba instructors out there...

It should be as much as the intention as the action. With the intention of assult, even if the victim escape harm, the attacker should hold responsibility. If result is needed for action, it maybe too late in this kind of case

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What I got out of his post is that he thinks there is more to the story/video than is being portrayed by the poor victim with 10,000 dives

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This part I can't argue and I don't disagree

However I don't why anyone with any reason entitles to act like those. If the attacker feels that he has been harrast, he could have file a offical complain. My question is what if the victim actually got injured due to his action, now what would you say?
 
It should be as much as the intention as the action. With the intention of assult, even if the victim escape harm, the attacker should hold responsibility. If result is needed for action, it maybe too late in this kind of case

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This part I can't argue and I don't disagree

However I don't why anyone with any reason entitles to act like those. If the attacker feels that he has been harrast, he could have file a offical complain. My question is what if the victim actually got injured due to his action, now what would you say?

I would say, right now, all you have to go on is the one side of the story posted by the poor victim with over 10,000 dives

I can just about guarantee there is more history here than is being portrayed.

I won't justify the behavior. But I will say that smart people tend to realize there is a finite point that you can mess with someone who is trying to work.




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Agreeing with pensacolracer on this, the more I read the more concerned I am that the truth is hidden behind the hyperbole.
Getting that feeling that this is at least partly staged managed to create the reaction that happened.
Pick the right target(s) hassle them enough, possibly on multiple dives until you trigger the reaction you are looking for and capture it on multiple video cameras.
Losing a regulator at 50 ft for an experienced diver should not be a big deal. If a panicking OOA diver rips you primary out of your mouth then you should be prepared to retrieve you backup and calm the OOA diver. If she had 10,000 dives then I suspect this or something similar has happened to her in the past.
Pity we will only see video's from 1 sides perspective and I would not be at all surprised that only small snipits have been saved with the majority deleted because of lack of space.
 
I am inclined to believe the attack was staged or provoked.

With her experience as an instructor quoted here: Diver allegedly attacked by fish collector | Hawaii Tribune-Herald, I'm surprised she didn't do a better job of defending her regulator. In a good rescue class, dealing with a diver going after your mask and regulator, you cover both and kick away from your attacker. Looks to me from different camera angles that the whole situation was planned or some sort of reaction was anticipated.

I'd keep an open mind if I was in a jury box, though. According to the prosecutor the diver would face reckless endangerment if it is real.

I think I found a new marketplace for my classes. :D
 
No evidence that she provoked him, and so what if she did? Who cares that she was in Sea Shepard? None of these points have anything to do with the fact that we have at a minimum evidence of Reckless Endangerment and possible attempted murder (long stretch there) - This information CAN help explain the fish collectors actions. In the United States of America You are convicted in a trial based on the preponderance of evidence. Now granted, this IS Scubaboard court, but shouldn't similar rules apply? The point being you can speculate all you want but there is REAL evidence of a crime here, and I fully expect that when they figure out who this guy is he will be arrested.

After posting this, I read a quote directly from the prosecutor that will receive this case.

Prosecuting Attorney Mitch Roth said Monday he was aware of the incident, which has not yet been submitted to his office for prosecution. He also responded to questions about the potential charges the alleged attacker could face. Assault, under state law, requires someone to physically injure another person, he said. Reckless endangerment is “putting in a place of danger of death or injury,” Roth said.
Both charges are misdemeanors. Prosecuting Attorney Mitch Roth said Monday he was aware of the incident, which has not yet been submitted to his office for prosecution. He also responded to questions about the potential charges the alleged attacker could face. Assault, under state law, requires someone to physically injure another person, he said. Reckless endangerment is “putting in a place of danger of death or injury,” Roth said.
Both charges are misdemeanors.
 
There is no reason outside of training or poor gas management skills (OOA panic grabbing of reg) to rip the reg out of somebody's mouth. Neither seems to apply here. Sad state of affairs that some here think being "provoked" should warrant this. Do we even know "provocation" was occurring?
 
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