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tc_rain:
.... I have to say I was very unimpressed by the dive masters abilities. I noticed a couple of them used their arms to swim almost as much as they used their legs. In addition, one of them had not mastered buoyancy. After touching the bottom several times and silting up the area, he ended up hanging onto a buoy line to watch some open water students on a platform perform their skills. ...

Instructors and DMs are not in it for the money there isn't any :D However, PADI DM is not a very difficult thing to achieve in all honesty.

If you read the PADI DM manual it describes a DM as a "qualified buddy".

If met some really, really good ones and some that match your description. Someone somewhere will take you money and certify you as a DM.... Don't place too much faith in a PIC card.

Chris
 
I went through SDI for my DM and it was pretty tough, I didnt see the SOP's listed anywhere on here you seem to need to know that book by heart :). I am with you Gangrel441 we are in a "internship" program for our instructor program and I have nothing but great things to say about our Instructor, the amount of knowledge and time he is willing to spend is amazing.
 
amascuba:
That's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. I don't think I've ever heard the words instructor and money in the same sentance. :)

I agree with you though. If a dive master hasn't mastered finning techniques, buoyancy skills, fundamental skills, and leadership skills then they have no business being a dive master.

Don't forget that any certification is only a license to really learn what you thought you learned during the actual course. whether it is OW, AOW, any specialty and of course DM
Oh yeah Instructor too
 
chrisch:
However, PADI DM is not a very difficult thing to achieve in all honesty.

Indeed? How long did it take you to do the course? Did you learn anything from the bookwork and internship?

If you read the PADI DM manual it describes a DM as a "qualified buddy".

Chris

It also lists a number of other things. Did you forget?
 
how long should the divemaster training take? i'm wondering so i can have an idea if my LDS is giving rigorous training or just the bare minimum.
 
viajerochevere:
how long should the divemaster training take? i'm wondering so i can have an idea if my LDS is giving rigorous training or just the bare minimum.
Depends on the shop, I have seen ads for an 8 day DM class, also have seen people take 9 months to finish.
 
It will depends on how quickly you can complete the qualifications,I've seen it take months and if you are really prepared and work for an instructor thats constantly busy you can complete it in about 10 days,depends on how hard you work yor *** off.
 
gangrel441:
I am currently a DIT (Divemaster In Training) with a local dive club, and am doing DM as an internship. I will have you know the instruction is costing me $0 except for course materials, and the instructors are excellent, including a public safety diver trainer. Believe me, they are putting me through the wringer every chance they get.

I agree that there are some bad DMs out there, but there are good ones as well. I would appreciate it if you would watch it with the generalizations there...

In no way did I generalize all D/M’s. I merely stated this towards the ones I was with over the weekend. The instructors and D/M’s at my LDS are top notch. That is why they have my business. I went with another dive shop over the weekend where a friend was getting his advance and was shocked at their skill level since I was not use to this due to the professionals I deal with at my LDS. This is what brought about the question. In no way should anyone take this as a general criticism. Sorry if you felt offended.
 
Thinking about starting DM myself - PADI.

Is there a "time limit" over which the requirements must be completed from start to finish?

Thanks - Ray
 
I got my DM in 1990. It took me about a year. I started with someting like 100 dives and completed with around 180.

In my estimation, the prerequisites are not nearly difficult enough. I say this given what I have seen form too many "90-day wonder" DM's, AI's and instructors. Also, knowing that there are shops, resorts, instructors out there that are going to provide nothing but the absolute minimum, there should be more rigid standards inplace.

The RSTC, PADI and most major training agencies are not seeing or are ignoring the problems. I think that long term, this trend of making every certification level easiser/quicker to attain, will bite the industry in the butt.

I think that DM candidates should be required to have 150 dives minimum to begin, 250 to complete, at least 20 deep, 15 night, .....I could go on. Additionally I think that a skills assessment should be done; not just swimming and treading water, but buoyancy control, finning techniques, control of panic situations, etc.

Imagine a newly minted DM, (60-70 dives in career) assisting an instructor and one other DM with 12 students on OW dive 1. Platform is at 28', visibility is <5', water temp 75 degrees. Three divers exhibited nervousness during pool training requiring additional pool sessions, but were able to meet agency "standards adn mastery".

This DM is watching one end of the arc of students while the instructor and other DM are assessing skills on the other end. Now the 95 lb lady one the end starts choking for some reason, and this new DM swims to her to assist. She spits out her reg, pulls off her mask and gets a death grip on her power inflator. Then, just to make things even more fun, she pulls the new DM's reg out of his mouth, yanks off his mask and starts hitting him, all the while trying to set a new breaching record.

I've had this happen to me when DM'ing. Luckily I had over 300 dives and it was not the first case of panic I'd dealt with. I grabbed her BC, locked my legs around the platform rail and started searching for her BC's emergency dump. Fortunately for both of us, the other DM came over and got control of her. I was able to roll backwards, get my reg back in, grab my spare mask, put it on & clear, find my other mask. The lady gained composure and was able to complete the dive later.

Would I have reacted the same way with the agency required minimum "experience" as a new DM? Doubtful. True, some people would be exceptional and handled it well. Most however, I believe, would not. Due to the responsibility entrusted and placed on diving professionals, the standards need to be higher.
 

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