Dive Computer Suggestions

Please register or login

Welcome to ScubaBoard, the world's largest scuba diving community. Registration is not required to read the forums, but we encourage you to join. Joining has its benefits and enables you to participate in the discussions.

Benefits of registering include

  • Ability to post and comment on topics and discussions.
  • A Free photo gallery to share your dive photos with the world.
  • You can make this box go away

Joining is quick and easy. Log in or Register now!

One last thought: nobody here has commented on HUD computers (Head's Up Display, or "integrated into your mask" for non-technical types). I have only ever seen them at dive shows, but the principle struck me as pretty sound. Interesting that no one has commented on them yet. Maybe just not many in circulation?

I have seen a few in action and I do think they're a wonderful idea. What I don't like, however, is that all the current models lock you into a certain mask. But a mask is a highly ideosyncratic thing - I had to try dozens of them before I found a model that really fits my face to minimize leaks. So if the two or three HUD masks don't happen to fit, then you're out of luck if you want HUD.

What I would love to see is some kind of HUD that could be retrofitted to ANY mask! Just find the mask that fits, and mount the HUD somehow. Maybe even have it removable in some way so you could change masks and simply move the HUD over. I don't know how exactly they would do that, but you know, engineers are clever people.

>*< Fritz
 
Sorry dude, totally wrong on that one. A car without air conditioning in Texas is utter hell. AI computers do very little to improve the quality of your dive; if it's a console then looking at it rather than an SPG is EXACTLY the same effort; if it's a wireless, then it's marginally less effort, especially considering that a diver with reasonable experience only needs to look at the SPG a few times during the dive, and the wireless AIs do lose sinc occasionally, much more frequently than overall computer or SPG failure.

Now, on to the latest and greatest solution-in-search-of-problem, the "computer in a mask"! That's a great one, I suppose getting newly certified divers to fork out $800-1000 on a totally unnecessary wireless AI wasn't enough for the dive industry, they had to go for the $1500+ computer/mask. Amazing, what's next? Dive computer cyborg units, custom installed by your local surgeon?

Gee, I wonder what happens when the wonder mask springs a leak or gets a tear in the silicone....no problem, just go out and buy another one. It's only $1500. Isn't your life worth it?


What's Next? No need to go diving at all... Wii for Divers.. Just sit on the couch and go diving on the coral reefs... the dive industry will be gone forever
 
It is true that the computer can't anticipate planned moves to shallower or deeper water. But anyone who actually uses an AI computer learns that right away, learns that the RDT essentially means "RDT at your current depth".

So let's take your example (which is a good one): If I'm at 80' and my computer is showing a "safe time" of five minutes, then sure, I know that, within that five minutes, if I ascend to 30', I will have AT LEAST five minutes, and probably more (or conversely, if I went deeper, I would have less time). In fact, I know that almost as soon as I ascend to 30' my computer will recalculate my remaining safe time for me based on all available factors: my current gas consumption rates, N2/O2 saturation, preset reserve pressure, time for safety stop, etc.

Using the same example, if I really ran my AI computer down to zero "safe time" at the 80' depth, that means that either 1) I now have just enough gas to ascend, do a safety stop, and surface with whatever my pre-programmed reserve is, or 2) I am running up against my N2 or O2 limits. Either way, I'm not going to have much if any time for cruising that reef at 30'.

Yes it's true you can't actually turn off your brain when using an AI computer. But pretty much the only thing you still need to know is that any positive safe time will decrease if you descend, or likely increase if you ascend. Zero safe time is pretty much just that, regardless of depth, and you need to be moving on up. Very simple.

And simple is good - you know, the KISS principle. This is something that I think backfires with the "stick to gauges" crowd - you can't argue that AND argue for a "simpler" setup. Because an air-integrated computer is just plain simpler to use.

Some people still like manual transmissions. I have no idea why, but they do, and maybe they deride those of us using automatics as too dependent on technology. I remember when the FCC created a new HAM radio license that did not require knowledge of Morse code, mostly so the packet radio guys could get up and running - who didn't need Morse at all - and they were given a hard time by the old schoolers. People thought pocket calculators would ruin everyone's understanding of math. I'm sure there are those who think the GPS has made everybody brain-dead and that everything would be so much simpler if we all went around carrying just a sextant and compass (and indeed there have been some well-publicized examples of folks driving their cars into lakes because their GPS said to turn - but they're the Darwin Award candidates anyway). There's an entire religious community that feels all this gosh-darned motor-driven stuff is just too out of hand and consciously refuse to move technologically beyond the horse and buggy.

It's a free country - you can be a Luddite if you want. But most of us really appreciate the way well-designed technology takes care of a lot of the details so we can focus our organic brains on more interesting things, and for me - and I'm guessing lots of GPS users - that applies to my dive computer as well.

>*< Fritz

Does it know you're buddies gas consumption so that if you have an emergency and need to share gas there is enough for both of you?

Does it know how well you slept? How hydrated you are? How stressed you are at work?

"Safe Time" ... I'm glad you put it in quotes.
 
Does it know you're buddies gas consumption so that if you have an emergency and need to share gas there is enough for both of you?Does it know how well you slept? How hydrated you are? How stressed you are at work?
No...and amazingly, his non-AI computer and SPG don't either.
 
Gee, I wonder what happens when the wonder mask springs a leak or gets a tear in the silicone....no problem, just go out and buy another one. It's only $1500.

To be fair, all you have do is pop the computer component out of the mask and put it in a replacement mask. The components are modular. I am sure that they gouge you for the replacement mask component, but I don't think it is $1500...
 
To be fair, all you have do is pop the computer component out of the mask and put it in a replacement mask. The components are modular. I am sure that they gouge you for the replacement mask component, but I don't think it is $1500...

Glad to learn that. I still wouldn't consider it. I'll choose a mask based on the one thing that matters, how well it fits. When I want to see the dive data, I'll look at the computer or gauges; I have no interest in this information being constantly displayed in my line of sight. When I want to look at the stuff I'm actually diving to see, I'd like a clear view, no numbers down in the corner or wherever they display it.
 
Probably has a lot to do with the price. When their price becomes on pair with what you can get an AI computer for, maybe you will see more of them. I think the other issue is fit. They would need to make a lot of variations to meet different needs and such. Then there is the issue of prescription lenses. Overall - I think a HUD mask might suffer from "overloading" a device with too many functions.

Aries was nice enough to allow me to test dive one and they are not at all what I thought it would be! Nitrox ready and all the info scrolls in a cycle so you see everything you need! A touch and you can pause it or go to the info you want with two contacts on the side that are easy to find and use! No "Overload" just the price!
 
Review of PADI Computer Course

Last week I participated in PADI's new certification for Dive Computers. It was a good intro for first time computer users. The course began with an overview of the various types of computers (console, wrist, AI, wireless, etc). The course focused on Suunto dive computers (Cobra 1 & 2, D4, D6, D9), which might be a result of the attendees' request rather than the course design. There was an general overview of the dive computer's features and hierarchy for selecting functions. This course would have been extremely helpful the day I purchased my computer providing a general understanding of all the featrures and critical information presented by the computer.

Having spent some time with my computer, I learned a couple of tricks that most likely I would have picked up upon further reviewing the owners manual. THere were a number of seasoned divers in the course and based on their questions and comments, I think that they would have gotten the same benefit by spending a 5-10 minutes discussion at their LDS.

The downside to the course is that you can't simulate a dive on the computer in the classroom so most of the review is static. Perhaps more slides showing the display at different points in a real dive would have been helpful. My general comment on the structure of most of the PADI courses that I have participated in is that they are a bit general and do not focus as much on the detail or repetitive practice/exercises. Granted this comment is more a personal preference / personality...plan and practice as if it is the real event and not simply a drill so that when things go bad you instinctively know the steps and routine.
 

Back
Top Bottom