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It sounds like a very frustrating experience. It's unfortunate that she didn't get a more complete evaluation, but sadly that is sometimes an unavoidable fact of ER life. Given that she was stable and asymptomatic on O2, it's not unreasonable to triage her as a lower risk.
But was she in fact a lower risk? Did a doctor qualified to weigh the risks of later onset of neurological damage have any input?

But she shoud have been re-evaluated periodically by the triage nurse. Did this happen?
Is a triage nurse likely to know when she should be sent home? Is two hours without neurological symptoms time to declare her lower risk? Four hours? I have no idea. I suspect the triage nurse also has no idea.
 
I just joined DAN and now I am a little confused. Why would they not help to appropriate the treatment necessary? I thought that was the shinning light with DAN as many medical personnel do not understand DCS and the long term neurological damage it may cause!
Is there a liability issue with someone from DAN contacting the hospital to explain the situation in a scientific manner?
Are there possibilities that she may indeed suffer problems at a later date?
Thanks
 
Jimmy,
I know what it's like my G/F and I both dive drysuits and are in colder waters, and this weekend in NJ was 100F and we had to do 3 dives very hot and exhausting. Ill agree it sucks having to get out of the suit to go to the bathroom but still something I would rather do then face the consequence. I could go with a pee valve and so could she but we both choose not to. But staying hydrated is a very big thing I am sure you are aware of. As for the ascending to driving I have not taken the altitude diver course but people I have talked with as I was contemplating a dive trip to altitude well higher then here they recomded atleast 3 hours before driving. Is this typical of what others do.
 
Hmmm.... so far, I can't see/determine a thing that DAN did wrong morally... ethically... contractually. What gripe do you have? You went to the local ER for treatment and you were unwilling to wait until they could see you (are you shocked that you were NOT a high priority considering her condition?)

If you think you'll get something different from Dive Assure or other insurer - you are going to be disapointed big time.... it's not their job to do anything more than what service you recieved from DAN).
 
Jimmy,
I know what it's like my G/F and I both dive drysuits and are in colder waters, and this weekend in NJ was 100F and we had to do 3 dives very hot and exhausting. Ill agree it sucks having to get out of the suit to go to the bathroom but still something I would rather do then face the consequence. I could go with a pee valve and so could she but we both choose not to. But staying hydrated is a very big thing I am sure you are aware of. As for the ascending to driving I have not taken the altitude diver course but people I have talked with as I was contemplating a dive trip to altitude well higher then here they recomded atleast 3 hours before driving. Is this typical of what others do.

Did you put your dive computer into a proper altitude mode?
 
Hmmm.... so far, I can't see/determine a thing that DAN did wrong morally... ethically... contractually.
I agree. But the OP offers up a healthy and much-needed dose of reality to the DAN faithful, and that is constructive, in my opinion.
 
Oh, man, this is so complicated, I don't know where to start.

First off, it's been pointed out, and you acknowledge, that ER cases undergo a process called triage. We try desperately to identify the sickest patients and see them first. Clearly, by any criteria, your girlfriend met the "not sick" requirements -- she was awake and alert, with stable vital signs, no neurologic changes, and she was not getting worse. Therefore, she was likely to sit until she worked her way up the waiting list of stable patients.

Secondly, the physicians who work for DAN cannot see or examine your girlfriend. Their assistance is predicated on the valid information they get from medical professionals on the scene, who can evaluate the patient. DAN cannot call the ER and say, "Put this patient in a chamber," because they might well be wrong. DAN can help the ER doc figure out if the patient needs the chamber, and help expedite hyperbaric treatment when it is called for. But they depend upon the history and physical examination carried out by the doctors in place. And they have no role in interfering with the triage process, unless the symptoms reported by the patient suggest life-threatening DCS, which your girlfriend pretty clearly didn't have.

Finally, it is a fact of life that different communities and different hospitals have different resources at different times. The community where I work has whole weekends where we have no general surgeon and no orthopedist (this in an area of intense outdoor summer activities) and we never have a cardiologist, neurologist, neurosurgeon, or many other specialties. Some weekends we have folks on call, and other weekends we don't; we don't have the right to contact people who are not on call, even if we know they are in town. No doctor can be on call 24/7 -- that way lies madness. If the hyperbaric specialists DAN had listed were not on call, they could not respond to the ER. Among other problems, if they do so, they are committed for 24 hours to continue to be available for ER patients. Someone cannot make an exception for a patient who is interesting -- Federal law prohibits that.

I am very sorry about your experience. Like you, I would hope that if I presented to the ER with DCS symptoms, I would at least be admitted and put on hospital oxygen while awaiting evaluation. But I can tell you that, if you came to my ER on some nights, that even though I am a diver and a doctor, you would wait, and you would sometimes wait a long time. I don't have an answer for that -- it lies in policy way above my pay grade.
 
I am glad I read this, as it does give one pause. I understand where Lynn is coming from, but considering the definite DCS signs the girl had indicated, had she not been given the O2 (and thankfully you had a lot on hand) the situation could have gotten much worse. Even then, it sounds like you were lucky.

I think I will add a couple of Alka-Seltzers and some Cherry Koolaid to my dive kit, as apparently you have to have some froth to get past triage.
 
I called DAN when I suffered an unprovoked DCS in COZ. They helped me figure out what was going on, gave me the address of the doc and chamber and alerted him I was on my way (I was 5 minutes away). They did all they could do in my situation. I had Diveassure for my insurance which is quite a bit more pricey than DAN but provides primary rather than secondary coverage. With their help I was in the chamber withing 25 minutes or less (this at midnight). I guess we can drop all those "Mexican hospital" jokes now. I had excellent care with virtually no wait (Thank you Dr. Piccolo). The only snag I ran into was that since I was alone they kept me in the hospital that night (what little was left after the chamber ride) and the next day till my next chamber "visit". The hospital was separate from the chamber operation and they wanted cash or credit card. I was fully reimbursed shortly after I got home so no biggie but it was an issue. All in all I felt DAN served me exceedingly well.
 
a couple simple comments i will make. The problem is that when you are being triaged in the middle of a land locked state far from the ocean, few RNs know how to appropriately classify a DCS patient.

TSandM - I never wanted DAN MDs to demand or ever recommend treatment unless asked. What I did want and looked for from DAN is what farside speaks of. DAN never contacted anyone on my behalf. Not the ER, not an MD, no one except me. This is even after I requested they make such contact. I had thought that this was part of DAN from the stories like Farside's and there MAG is to coordinate your care as well. There to date has been no difference that we called/had DAN insurance than if we had not. The incidence of DCS is pretty low by almost all standards and one that I dare say few people are aware of except divers. I have triaged people before and know that we got triaged by appearances which is a mistake.

No change in calculations is required at the lakes altitude. First change is at 3000ft but i will have to look at my tables to track down that exact number. I recall the lake it at approx 600ft or so.

I will answer or comment to other posts later. I have to go to work.
 

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