DIR Requirements for doubles wing?

[WhiteSands]

I'm thinking of getting the HOG doubles wing. They come in 35lb and 50lb options. The inflator elbow also comes out from the centre of the wing.

Will either of these wings be DIR compliant, and how many pounds lift should I get?

Thanks!

 

[Teller]

I'm thinking of getting the HOG doubles wing. They come in 35lb and 50lb options. The inflator elbow also comes out from the centre of the wing.

Will either of these wings be DIR compliant, and how many pounds lift should I get?

Thanks!

The inflator hose on HOG wings is pretty long. Atleast longer than the Halcyon, Oxycheq and DSS wings. Not sure if thats a DIR issue but I wont buy a HOG wing just for that reason. I think the power inflator is awkward to. I dont know why they dont use a standard one like everyone else.

 

[victorzamora]

Hose in the middle is clutch. Amount of lift is (I believe) supposed to be 50# or less. You'll do fine with that wing. Worst case, you buy a $10 hose and $20 inflator. I think the HOG exhaust is a little cheesy, but the inflation button is super sexy. The hose on my single tank wing is also incredibly long, so it wouldn't' surprise me if the hose on the double's wing is as well.

 

[eelnoraa]

I already see wrong answer posted. I will suggest to email a local DIR instructor. DIR equipment requirement is actually a lot more flexible than people think. But depends on your goal and usage, there are more or less optimal choices. A DIR instructor will give the best recommendations

 

[Instructor_Tom]

The lift you require will depend on the doubles you use. I use worthington steel LP108s and i use a 65lb lift Zeagle Bertha. Remember that you will need to calculate the weight of the doubles, reels, stage bottles, canisters, backup lights, etc.....

If you plan to use AL80's then a 40-50lb lift wing might work, but as you go to bigger heavier tanks you will need a bigger wing.

You should also consider if you will be diving wet ( will loose buoyancy as you go deeper) or dry ( a dry suit will assist with lift).

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[GCullen94]

The lift you require will depend on the doubles you use. I use worthington steel LP108s and i use a 65lb lift Zeagle Bertha. Remember that you will need to calculate the weight of the doubles, reels, stage bottles, canisters, backup lights, etc.....

If you plan to use AL80's then a 40-50lb lift wing might work, but as you go to bigger heavier tanks you will need a bigger wing.

You should also consider if you will be diving wet ( will loose buoyancy as you go deeper) or dry ( a dry suit will assist with lift).

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Ok just a couple things, DIR/GUE/UTD the equipment is a lot more flexible than people think. A single tank wing should not be more than 50lbs, and double not more than 80lb. There should be no retraction system (internal or external)

For deciding your lift here are a few questions:
Are you diving salt or fresh?
Wet or dry?
Aluminum or Steel doubles?

Your rig should be able to float itself without you in it. NEVER EVER rely on using your drysuit to aid in buoyancy! if you have a catastrophic failure in your drysuit, your wing should be able to support you and your gear to the surface. If you are in a wetsuit, you should be in aluminum doubles so you can swim them to the surface.

A 40-50lb wing will work for most steel doubles. People WAY over estimate the lift they need. If you look at a setup of double 100's, they are -10lbs each
8lb vweight
2lb can light
5lb backplate
2 backup lights, neg 1 each. = -37lbs

figure out if the lift specification is given in salt or freshwater, Diverite uses freshwater for lift calculations which means they have more lift in salt water.

NOTE Whitesands I believe I remember you having some questions on drysuit diving so I am assuming you are using a drysuit. Look at the 40-50lb wing range and I would get a doughnut over any kind of horseshoe style

 

[WhiteSands]

The inflator hose on HOG wings is pretty long. Atleast longer than the Halcyon, Oxycheq and DSS wings. Not sure if thats a DIR issue but I wont buy a HOG wing just for that reason. I think the power inflator is awkward to. I dont know why they dont use a standard one like everyone else.

May I know what is the length of the inflator hose on the Halcyon doubles wing? I'll check with the manufacturer. Asking because the ones on my HOG Singles wing are just nice, not too long. They position the inflator just under the left shoulder D-ring.

I agree fully with you on their sucky power inflator, I really dislike it. I swapped mine out for Diverite ones. I asked them the same question on this Board but they never replied. My guess is to save cost ('cos nobody else wants them).

---------- Post added December 30th, 2013 at 01:23 PM ----------

Hose in the middle is clutch.

I'm sorry but I don't understand this saying. What does it mean? Is it ok/not ok?

Amount of lift is (I believe) supposed to be 50# or less. You'll do fine with that wing. Worst case, you buy a $10 hose and $20 inflator. I think the HOG exhaust is a little cheesy, but the inflation button is super sexy. The hose on my single tank wing is also incredibly long, so it wouldn't' surprise me if the hose on the double's wing is as well.

Perhaps they changed it after receiving feedback. The singles wing I bought recently had an inflator hose that was just the right length.

---------- Post added December 30th, 2013 at 01:27 PM ----------

Ok just a couple things, DIR/GUE/UTD the equipment is a lot more flexible than people think. A single tank wing should not be more than 50lbs, and double not more than 80lb. There should be no retraction system (internal or external)

For deciding your lift here are a few questions:
Are you diving salt or fresh?
Wet or dry?
Aluminum or Steel doubles?

Thanks for the help.

I mostly dive salt.
When diving with doubles, mostly diving dry.
Aluminum is more easily available where I live, although I prefer steel.

Your rig should be able to float itself without you in it. NEVER EVER rely on using your drysuit to aid in buoyancy! if you have a catastrophic failure in your drysuit, your wing should be able to support you and your gear to the surface. If you are in a wetsuit, you should be in aluminum doubles so you can swim them to the surface.

A 40-50lb wing will work for most steel doubles. People WAY over estimate the lift they need. If you look at a setup of double 100's, they are -10lbs each
8lb vweight
2lb can light
5lb backplate
2 backup lights, neg 1 each. = -37lbs

figure out if the lift specification is given in salt or freshwater, Diverite uses freshwater for lift calculations which means they have more lift in salt water.

NOTE Whitesands I believe I remember you having some questions on drysuit diving so I am assuming you are using a drysuit. Look at the 40-50lb wing range and I would get a doughnut over any kind of horseshoe style

Thanks very much for the advice, much appreciated. Yes I prefer to dive dry now, unless it's for a short, 2-dive day trip in local waters.

 

[PfcAJ]

Short answer: 40-45lb wing for 7inch doubles (al80s, hp100s, etc), 55-60lb wing for 8inch doubles (lp95s, 104s, hp130s, lp120s, etc). You don't need anything more than a 60lb wing. If it'll float a full rb80 120 rack with added weights, a steel plate and 2 big ass canisters, it'll float your doubles.

Simple.

 

[Ben_ca]

I already see wrong answer posted. I will suggest to email a local DIR instructor. DIR equipment requirement is actually a lot more flexible than people think. But depends on your goal and usage, there are more or less optimal choices. A DIR instructor will give the best recommendations

+1 Talk to your local instructor or community.

 

[WhiteSands]

Short answer: 40-45lb wing for 7inch doubles (al80s, hp100s, etc), 55-60lb wing for 8inch doubles (lp95s, 104s, hp130s, lp120s, etc). You don't need anything more than a 60lb wing. If it'll float a full rb80 120 rack with added weights, a steel plate and 2 big ass canisters, it'll float your doubles.

Simple.

Thanks. I think I'll get a 60lb then to cover all bases.

What are you guys using for 60lb wings?

---------- Post added December 30th, 2013 at 05:42 PM ----------

+1 Talk to your local instructor or community.

He'll try to sell me a Halcyon..lol!