Hey, what were the XXXX's ?
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Hey, what were the XXXX's ?
A lot of "internet" DIR types are really over the top. Especially when they start the name calling. Just the way it is. Many of them are newbies. They can do the drills and play the part but some of them really have no place spouting off like they do. Don't get me wrong, I take a lot from that group. I've modeled a lot of my setup like DIR. I have dive buddies that ask why I do things the way I do and sometimes emulate me. So I give this group Kudos, they do have quite a bit of stuff figured out. But don't forget DIR took a lot from the early cave divers before them. They just re-packaged the Hogarthian stuff and added in standardization. Not a bad thing. I like the standard gasses, bottle labeling, buddy drills and skills etc. But calling someone a "double sided Xmas tree" or whatever for wearing a stage bottle on the right is just a bit over the top. Yes there are reasons they don't. Not just scootering, but long hose deployment. I understand why they do what they do and with the right buddies/teams you can really pulloff some risky dives as safely as possible. But there are other ways to do things. And the solo diving thing. If someone is an adult, then they should be able to make those decisions and take those associated (can be argued) risks. Another example is the one piece harness. I don't think there is any documented case of a clip breaking on a harness and a diver losing his rig underwater. Impossible really. Air at 120fsw? Whatever. Take what you need leave the BS behind.
I think some DIR stuff goes over the top, but at the same time I do like using a BP/W, I do like my power fins, I like the necklace for my octo. But I do not want to sling my pony bottle, I love my argon bottle mount for my pony, it's only a 13cf too 
, I do not want a longhose in recreational open water. I don't have a canister light, just a couple lights that fit in my leg pocket, and I use a frog colored magnadoodle as a slate.
I think like many things in life, DIR and GUE have some great ideas to use or build off of, or to toss aside and do what is more comfortable for you. Sure if I go into certain environments like a cave my 13cf won't be enough and I'll want a longhose then. But when I'm not doing that what I have now covers the diving I do just fine.
, I do not want a longhose in recreational open water. I don't have a canister light, just a couple lights that fit in my leg pocket, and I use a frog colored magnadoodle as a slate.I think like many things in life, DIR and GUE have some great ideas to use or build off of, or to toss aside and do what is more comfortable for you. Sure if I go into certain environments like a cave my 13cf won't be enough and I'll want a longhose then. But when I'm not doing that what I have now covers the diving I do just fine.
I do personally know someone who had a plastic fastex buckle break during a cave dive. Although they didnt lose the rig, it did make for an uncomfortable exit. So, while rare, it (breakage) can happen.
Agreed, everyone has to make up their own mind what degree of risk they are comfortable with and what steps they can take to mitigate them.
Plastic clips break all the time - however I've never heard of a stainless steel one failing.
Pearldiver07
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A while ago I saw DIR as overly constraining. I even held some of their ideas in disdain - now I find myself coming into almost complete compliance and moving more that way regularly. Am I 100% in compliance with their methodolgy? No.
Do I understand 100% of their rationale? I think so.
But as Cave Diver said '...everyone has to make up their own mind what degree of risk they are comfortable with and what steps they can take to mitigate them." I only get nervous when I see someone doing something that doesn't add up logically, and not know why. That tells me that they may well have not considered the risks and how they will mitigate them.
Not bringing religion into it, but if you say you're a Muslim or a Christian or whatever, and don't follow their doctrine, you're not. If you don't follow DIR doctrine, you're not DIR.
I'm not DIR compliant, but I can't argue with their methodolgy. As I enter more advanced diving, I find that the reasons for their decisions has become more clear.
But don't tell anyone I said these nice things about DIR - I've got a reputation to protect!!!
Do I understand 100% of their rationale? I think so.
But as Cave Diver said '...everyone has to make up their own mind what degree of risk they are comfortable with and what steps they can take to mitigate them." I only get nervous when I see someone doing something that doesn't add up logically, and not know why. That tells me that they may well have not considered the risks and how they will mitigate them.
Not bringing religion into it, but if you say you're a Muslim or a Christian or whatever, and don't follow their doctrine, you're not. If you don't follow DIR doctrine, you're not DIR.
I'm not DIR compliant, but I can't argue with their methodolgy. As I enter more advanced diving, I find that the reasons for their decisions has become more clear.
But don't tell anyone I said these nice things about DIR - I've got a reputation to protect!!!
vshearer
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IMHO. DIR/GUE is a direct result of cave diving. It excels in that it developed rational, best practices that give practitioners a tremendous safety factor. It contains well thought out configurations and a philosophy of diving/teamwork/lifestyle that enhance this.
It does not, again in my opinion, give a single diving configuration that can be used in all environments. That is why you see some of the arguments between NE wreck divers and DIR. DIR is not the only solution.
...and as others have mentioned, DIR divers are not AH++les, actually I find the anti-DIR crowd more closed minded. I am not DIR and not a cave diver. Just my .02.
It does not, again in my opinion, give a single diving configuration that can be used in all environments. That is why you see some of the arguments between NE wreck divers and DIR. DIR is not the only solution.
...and as others have mentioned, DIR divers are not AH++les, actually I find the anti-DIR crowd more closed minded. I am not DIR and not a cave diver. Just my .02.
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