DIR: God's gift to diving or Hell spawn?

[Boogie711]

GJ - look, you know you want to. Just take the Fundies class and you can learn for yourself why all your presuppositions are incorrect.

Or you can continue to beat your fingers bloody into a keyboard on the Internet. Your call. So far it looks like you're choosing to blindly type away. I'd rather dive.

 

[gj62]

GJ - look, you know you want to. Just take the Fundies class and you can learn for yourself why all your presuppositions are incorrect.

So far, none of my presuppositions have been challenged as incorrect - perhaps you'd care to comment?

I'd rather dive.

I'm stuck 4hrs from any reasonable diving, and that's just a quarry (let the quarry attacks begin... I've dove this one, so I have an informed opinion). Also, I have office hrs - what better way to kill them?

Does DIR-F actually recant the issues I've brought up surrounding DIR? Now THAT would be worth taking the class for (um, not really, but almost)...

 

[reubencahn]

You're kidding, right? Trey is obnoxiously holier-than-thou even in the DIR videos... Just another case of YMMV regarding opinions... .

No, not kidding. In real life, at least the time I met him, he was a personable guy. Strong opinions, yes, but an obnoxious zealot, no. As I said, real life and the internet diverge.

Honestly, you can apply many of the safety concepts without DIR-F. I'm not recommending against it, but taking the course does not automatically equate to a safer diver. While we're on that subject, what have you done for your family about driving skills and the other vehicles that share the road with you? Statistically, that's a much more dangerous activity. If I had to do one or the other, I'd enroll them in defensive driving and buy a very safe car long before I worried about DIR-F to increase my diving safety. That's assuming rec (no-overhead) diving..

Never said, nor would I, that you can't apply any of the concepts or can't dive safely if you haven't taken DIR-F or other GUE courses. I would say that DIR presents a well thought out system for safe and enjoyable diving, which is not something I've seen elsewhere.

As far as cars, I have my wife drive a rusted Corvair with leaking brake lines and bald tires. Does this really have anything to do with the topic?

 

[Boogie711]

Sigh. I don't know why I bother. Incorrect presuppositions? Such as:

"I've said all along, DIR has it's place. Trimix, penetration diving is where their approach derived from and where it shines the best. "

or

"there will be alot less negative talk than today, when the statement is more to the tune that since I'm right, everyone else must be wrong..."

to start. But hey - if you just want to argue all day as you kill office hours, rather than invest in your diving future and learn FIRST-HAND, I would just humbly ask that you go somewhere else.

 

[pipedope]

Or you can continue to beat your fingers bloody into a keyboard on the Internet. Your call. So far it looks like you're choosing to blindly type away. I'd rather dive.

So why aren't you out diving instead of continuing to post the same thing over and over, just the thing you are acusing others of doing?

Please, give it a rest.

 

[gj62]

Sigh. I don't know why I bother. Incorrect presuppositions? Such as:

"I've said all along, DIR has it's place. Trimix, penetration diving is where their approach derived from and where it shines the best. "

or

"there will be alot less negative talk than today, when the statement is more to the tune that since I'm right, everyone else must be wrong..."

to start. But hey - if you just want to argue all day as you kill office hours, rather than invest in your diving future and learn FIRST-HAND, I would just humbly ask that you go somewhere else.

Boogie, please don't confuse opinions with facts. The above are stated opinions - you may not agree with them, but that's the beauty of opinions - you don't have to.

As far as investing in my diving future - I do that whenever I dive, which is as often as I can being 1,000 miles away from preferred diving sites, school-aged kids, and not unlimited funds.

So, you can humbly take your suggestion and apply it to yourself.

 

[pipedope]

Sigh. I don't know why I bother. Incorrect presuppositions? Such as:

to start. But hey - if you just want to argue all day as you kill office hours, rather than invest in your diving future and learn FIRST-HAND, I would just humbly ask that you go somewhere else.

This is NOT the DIR forum. You do not have the right to ask people to just go away for not being DIR in THIS forum.

 

[RUFUST]

That's my point these guys preach they are DIR trained(?)with drysuit,doubles,hang bottle,reels,hid lights,ect,ect,ect.........just like the guys in the book or magazine.These are the guys that get noticed and remembered by everybody not the guy that slips into the water quietly.Also there is good equipment out there made by other companies than Halcyon.Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[gj62]

That's my point these guys preach they are DIR trained(?)with drysuit,doubles,hang bottle,reels,hid lights,ect,ect,ect.........just like the guys in the book or magazine.These are the guys that get noticed and remembered by everybody not the guy that slips into the water quietly.Also there is good equipment out there made by other companies than Halcyon.Just my 2 cents worth.

Just to clarify - Boogie, please jump in here too - you are not required to buy Halcyon to be DIR. These are some of the negative stereotypes that get attached to DIR but are not true. Also, if people want to take their opinion of DIR based upon pictures of someone rigged for a 3-hour cave dive, they are not giving DIR its fair due - and that's not DIRs fault, but the person jumping to conclusions...

 

[d33ps1x]

FOTFLMFFO. You guys are all entertainment to the max. Thank you. Truly.