Dir-ftm

[Big-t-2538]

Who wold I be able to talk to in the Dayton area about going to a DIR-F class? Chad I kow you have talked to some people, are all the training classes a good distance away from me?

Again...I don't know for sure what path I want to travel down, but I have always been fascinated with wrecks. I stilll have a lot of training to go through and a lot of things to learn, I've never been exposed to having to work inside a wreck or cave. The idea of caving still sounds interesting, but I'm not all about some of the stories I've heard of divers doffing their rig just so they can fit into and opening of the cave (from what I've gathered here on the board, that's not the norm, that was what I had heard before joining these forums). I want to learn the proper way to dive around them (wrecks), and eventually in them. I think that would just be awesome.

 

[Cave Diver]

Big-t-2538 once bubbled...
The idea of caving still sounds interesting, but I'm not all about some of the stories I've heard of divers doffing their rig just so they can fit into and opening of the cave (from what I've gathered here on the board, that's not the norm, that was what I had heard before joining these forums).

I can't speak for the other agencies (but I suspect they teach similar) but as far as NACD goes, if you have to remove any of your equipment in order to fit through a passageway, then you have no business being there, at least as far a 'recreational cavers' go.

'Explorers' who find and develop new systems might find this an acceptable practice, but for the vast majority, there are plenty of tunnels to be seen.

If you have a desire to push yourself further, sidemounting is an option, where your tanks are slung under your arm instead of on your back. This gives you a lower profile and access to some places that you might not otherwise go. This is an advanced type of caving, and one that I am not trained in nor qualified to speak on.

I wouldn't concern yourself with gear removal. There are hundreds of places you can dive where this will never be an issue.

 

[ckharlan66]

Big-t-2538 once bubbled...
Who wold I be able to talk to in the Dayton area about going to a DIR-F class? Chad I kow you have talked to some people, are all the training classes a good distance away from me?

Again...I don't know for sure what path I want to travel down, but I have always been fascinated with wrecks. I stilll have a lot of training to go through and a lot of things to learn, I've never been exposed to having to work inside a wreck or cave. The idea of caving still sounds interesting, but I'm not all about some of the stories I've heard of divers doffing their rig just so they can fit into and opening of the cave (from what I've gathered here on the board, that's not the norm, that was what I had heard before joining these forums). I want to learn the proper way to dive around them (wrecks), and eventually in them. I think that would just be awesome.

PM MHK on the board. They will come to you to teach the class. We are working on one at Joe's in June. But we haven't been able to set the date for certain yet for several reasons.

Chad

 

[Northeastwrecks]

Cave Diver's statements also hold true for wrecks.

I am aware (and have actually seen) divers who will remove their rig in order to proceed farther into a wreck than they could with their doubles. Personally, until I'm a whole lot more experienced, the only way they are getting my life support off me while I'm underwater will involve a blunt object and a pair of shears.

That said, has anyone ever heard of using a sidemount for wreck exploration? Just curious.

While penetrating is fascinating, you can dive wrecks without penetrating and still have a great experience.

I just searched GUE's instructor database. It looks like the closest instructor is Bob Sherwood. He is based in central New York. I took his course in Watertown, NY.

However, it is my understanding that many of the GUE instructors will travel if you get a group together. It is my further understanding that the group does not need to be large (approximately 6).

For example, I recall that Andrew came from Washington state to the Boston area to teach Large_Diver's class.

 

[Northeastwrecks]

Cave Diver once bubbled...

Exactly Right! Except in our class, we discussed the attributes of just about EVERY piece of gear, not just BP/Wing.

So did we. That comment was meant only as an example.

 

[MikeFerrara]

hmmm...You gotta wonder....

Another thread started to bash dir turns into a session to arrange DIRF classes.

I think the ones who start these threads are GUE's best sales people.

 

[O-ring]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...
hmmm...You gotta wonder....

Another thread started to bash dir turns into a session to arrange DIRF classes.

I think the ones who start these threads are GUE's best sales people.

I thought DIR-FTM meant DIR FOR THE MASSES!!!

 

[Big-t-2538]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...
hmmm...You gotta wonder....

Another thread started to bash dir turns into a session to arrange DIRF classes.

I think the ones who start these threads are GUE's best sales people.

Lawman and some other are working undercover as GUE conspirators to overthrow the ranks fo the "general public" of SCUBA diving and make everyone a GUE/DIR diver.....hmmmm

 

[MikeFerrara]

I think he was hired to stir the pot and keep DIR at the top of the talk list. The question is who hired him? Choose one or add to the list...

UP
MHK
Roak
O-ring

 

[TCDiver1]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...
I think he was hired to stir the pot and keep DIR at the top of the talk list. The question is who hired him? Choose one or add to the list...

UP
MHK
Roak
O-ring

That ... would be truely devious and a ploy worth admiration for it's manipulative potential

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE! :bonk: