dir and oceanic eos

[chironomidkraut]

just wondering if the oceanic eos would b considered dir if i could round up a long swivel hose from oceanic or private dealer, cause if i had to change the swivel out with hollis parts i would prob just go with cold water HOG regs

 

[gsk3]

Judging by the numerous reports of swivels falling apart, I suspect you'd be better off getting rid of the swivel. But the usual answer applies: call your future instructor and ask

 

[tddfleming]

Judging by the numerous reports of swivels falling apart, I suspect you'd be better off getting rid of the swivel. But the usual answer applies: call your future instructor and ask

Can you point me in the right direction for the swivles falling apart. I tried to do a search for this, but, well, easier said than done. I have missed these posts and if true, I would be interested in looking at them, as I have the EOS also.

 

[ucfdiver]

Can you point me in the right direction for the swivles falling apart. I tried to do a search for this, but, well, easier said than done. I have missed these posts and if true, I would be interested in looking at them, as I have the EOS also.

I confess, I've seen the threads and can't find them. There are several swivel manufactures, only a few of them seem to hold up. Ed @ Cave Adventurers has a source for swivels that he wont share, but his never seem to fail. The others fail often from what I've seen. I think the thread would be either in the sidemount forum here, or on tds.

That being said, swivels aren't within the published DIR outlines, and aren't really needed for the hose routing that dir divers use.

 

[tddfleming]

I confess, I've seen the threads and can't find them. There are several swivel manufactures, only a few of them seem to hold up. Ed @ Cave Adventurers has a source for swivels that he wont share, but his never seem to fail. The others fail often from what I've seen. I think the thread would be either in the sidemount forum here, or on tds.

That being said, swivels aren't within the published DIR outlines, and aren't really needed for the hose routing that dir divers use.

Thanks for the reply! I was more curious, and I do understand that swivels are not GUE santioned. When you say "fail" fail in what fashion??? Please define fail. I have taken the primer and am in the process of getting my gear configured to meet standards, but still have old gear and still using it at this point. I see others have the same issue with finding things as myself

 

[gsk3]

Did a quick search and here are a few:

2nd Stage Swivel Failure/airshare
2nd-stage swivel failure in Cenote Cristalino, Mexico - 06-Nov-2010
Check your swivels if you use them - Recall notice

It's interesting, because the minimalist philosophy of having no extra failure points seems to play out in the real world here.

I'd say if you just took Primer and are still doing recreational dives, probably not a huge deal yet. For Fundies, the answer is always the same: check with your instructor. And for diving where the surface is more than a few minutes away, personally I wouldn't dive with them.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

This probably isn't the place to discuss it, because as James points out, swivels aren't part of a DIR configuration ... but there are two basic swivel designs. The more expensive swivels use a ball bearing inside to maintain the swiveling surface. The less expensive uses a rubber o-ring. The former is pretty robust, while the latter is not. When you read about swivels failing, it's the cheaper ones that fail.

If you want a reliable swivel, expect to pay in the range of $50 and up for it ... here's an example of a high-end swivel ...

... and here's an example of a cheap swivel ...

They look pretty much alike ... the biggest clue is the price ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[tddfleming]

Thank you everyone, as stated this is not the correct place. I was just following up on a post that someone had started. Will leave it now. Thanks again.

 

[eelnoraa]

Oceanic EOS with swivel is NOT DIR for sure. 1) swivel may fail, argueably. On my first reg, oceanic delta 4, the swivel leaked on arrival. I sent it back for refund. 2)most importantly, the swivel fitting is NOT standard. So in unlikely event it fail during predive check, there is not way you can swap it out and dive.

I went through the DIR gear switching recently. Oceanic 7ft hose with swivel is either "doesn't exist" or very expansive. My recommendation is to delete the swivel by swap out the air tube body. Or sell the EOS to a diver who prefer the swivel and get yourself a more DIR friendly 2nd stage.

 

[tddfleming]

Oceanic EOS with swivel is NOT DIR for sure. 1) swivel may fail, argueably. On my first reg, oceanic delta 4, the swivel leaked on arrival. I sent it back for refund. 2)most importantly, the swivel fitting is NOT standard. So in unlikely event it fail during predive check, there is not way you can swap it out and dive.

I went through the DIR gear switching recently. Oceanic 7ft hose with swivel is either "doesn't exist" or very expansive. My recommendation is to delete the swivel by swap out the air tube body. Or sell the EOS to a diver who prefer the swivel and get yourself a more DIR friendly 2nd stage.

Thanks, that is what I have been looking at doing. I have been looking at the new Hogs and replacing the whole set up, 1st and 2nd. As what I have found with my Oceanic, is that even with the enviro seal, it does not like water in the low 50's. It will free flow at a drop of a hat. Which creates yet another issue altogether. Like you, I have been looking at all the alternatives to make sure whatever I do, it is the right decision.