Review Did my pool lessons this weekend, thoughts on how it went.

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So, I had my two days of confined water training this weekend, and firstly I have to say what an absolute blast it was. Once I got past some slight nerves and anxiety the first 5 minutes, I didn't want to come up. I cannot wait to get certified in open water this summer. Seeing as ya'll like to discuss and talk about things here, I figured I'd join in and review my experience.

First, I'll start with the equipment, because it's the first thing you touch and have to deal with. I'm a big guy, tall and large. Before I signed up for classes I went into the shop and asked if they had equipment to comfortably fit me. The guy said "Yeah, for sure, not a problem. We've certified bigger guys!". That eased my anxiety, right until the first day of classes I show up to the shop and the guy tosses me a bunch of gear that doesn't really fit. They went back and looked for a different one and finally found one that I could make work, but I wouldn't call it a good fit, all buckled up it felt like having someone sit on my chest. No big deal, I've dealt with ill fitting equipment my whole life, I can get through this.

At the pool, instructors told us to assemble our kits, not a problem. Whipped it all together, tossed it in the pool, and leaks... Everything was leaking. Tank O-ring was leaking, 2nd stage secondary was leaking, LPI hose fitting was leaking on the BCD. Notified the instructor, he say's he'll grab some backups. I rig up the backup tank and octo, and wouldn't you know it, the new tank and octo leak worse than the first ones! Okay, no big deal, I ask for the old ones back and I'll monitor my air a bit more often. After about 10mins the primary secondary started fluttering and was way harder to breathe from than my backup secondary, so I switched to my backup for the remainder of the classes. I think this whole situation just encouraged me to never rent gear ever.

The pool had anywhere between 10-20 people in it, and it was a 25m pool, not olympic. Everyone was bumping into everyone, people descending on people in the deep end. There was 1 instructor per 4 students, but it didn't feel like it for the amount of people in the pool. Every skill we ran through was briefly displayed before we had to display the skill. The 30minute mini dive was closer to 3 laps around the pool before the instructor thumbed us up. My partner and I weren't screwing around, so were made sure we did our drills together and made sure we didn't gloss past em.

The instructors were very kind and encouraging, I do not fault them for class size, I feel they handled it to the best of their capabilities. The equipment also wasn't their fault. They made sure the class was fun and light hearted while being serious about safety as best they could.

My biggest observation, people are panicky animals when even slightly uncomfortable. Swimming and diving isn't the most popular where I am from, so I can see a lot of people not being even remotely close to being underwater, but I underestimated. I saw people rip their regs out of their mouth (assuming cause they coughed on some water) and bolt to the surface. I saw people claw and grab at other peoples gear when they seemingly had no reason to be panicked. Two people could not complete the full mask flood / clear, and one guy panicked so bad he wound up kicking the instructor. Was any of that comfortable, no, but I never once felt like I was in danger or in a pickle I couldn't get myself out of. As long as I kept the reg in my mouth and breathed, I was going to be fine. Knowing that helped me from ever panicking.

Overall, it was a blast. I had a ton of fun just in the pool, and I can't wait to actually get certified and start exploring. I feel like my instructors did the very best they could with what they had, and they probably didn't expect such a large volume of people on that weekend. As for the gear, I am deceptively bigger than I look, so I forgive them for assuming they had gear that'd be comfortable. I do not expect them to buy a brand new bcd and wetsuit just for me, I'll work with what they have then buy my own. I understand the safety of properly fitting gear, I wouldn't have bothered getting wet if I didn't think the equipment was at least safe. Hopefully that kit gets serviced a little more often.


It's really been a great experience with this place, and I hope my post didn't come off as all negative. The place has communicated excellent, they took a lot of time to explain to me fitment of mask and fins and helped me pick out a pair that fit me well, and at a price point I could afford. Two instructors I was talking to after the lessons gave me their phone #s and told me to call whenever if I have questions about anything. Everyone has been beyond friendly.
 
Wow, first time I have ever heard of cattleboat training sessions. Glad you were able to make the best of it but, I would ask questions about your open water training. One, they need to provide you with gear that is fully functional and fits you. Next how many students per instructor? any more than 4 seems way too many to me. Where is your open water going to be? Big difference between warm waters or a midwest quarry. Diving is fun but proper and comfortable training will make you better. Good luck
 
So, I had my two days of confined water training this weekend, and firstly I have to say what an absolute blast it was. Once I got past some slight nerves and anxiety the first 5 minutes, I didn't want to come up. I cannot wait to get certified in open water this summer. Seeing as ya'll like to discuss and talk about things here, I figured I'd join in and review my experience.

First, I'll start with the equipment, because it's the first thing you touch and have to deal with. I'm a big guy, tall and large. Before I signed up for classes I went into the shop and asked if they had equipment to comfortably fit me. The guy said "Yeah, for sure, not a problem. We've certified bigger guys!". That eased my anxiety, right until the first day of classes I show up to the shop and the guy tosses me a bunch of gear that doesn't really fit, while encouraging me it does fit. I asked for a different BCD and they finally found one that I could make work, but I wouldn't call it a good fit, all buckled up it felt like having someone sit on my chest. No big deal, I've dealt with ill fitting equipment my whole life, I can get through this.

At the pool, instructors told us to assemble our kits, not a problem. Whipped it all together, tossed it in the pool, and leaks... Everything was leaking. Tank O-ring was leaking, 2nd stage secondary was leaking, LPI hose fitting was leaking on the BCD. Notified the instructor, he say's he'll grab some backups. I rig up the backup tank and octo, and wouldn't you know it, the new tank and octo leak worse than the first ones! Okay, no big deal, I ask for the old ones back and I'll monitor my air a bit more often. After about 10mins the primary secondary started fluttering and was way harder to breathe from than my backup secondary, so I switched to my backup for the remainder of the classes. I think this whole situation just encouraged me to never rent gear ever.

The actual class was packed. The pool had anywhere between 10-20 people in it, and it was a 25m pool, not olympic. Everyone was bumping into everyone, people descending on people in the deep end. There was 1 instructor per 6 students, but it didn't feel sufficient. Every skill we ran through was brisked past, the 1 minute mask off underwater skill was actually 15 seconds if you appeared to not be panicking. The 30minute mini dive was closer to 3 laps around the pool before the instructor thumbed us up. My partner and I weren't screwing around, so were made sure we did our drills together and made sure we didn't gloss past em even if the instructor was willing to.

The instructors were very kind and encouraging, I do not fault them for class size, I feel they handled it to the best of their capabilities. The equipment also wasn't their fault. They made sure the class was fun and light hearted while being serious about safety as best they could.

My biggest observation, people are panicky animals when even slightly uncomfortable. Swimming and diving isn't the most popular where I am from, so I can see a lot of people not being even remotely close to being underwater, but I underestimated. I saw people rip their regs out of their mouth (assuming cause they coughed on some water) and bolt to the surface. I saw people claw and grab at other peoples gear when they seemingly had no reason to be panicked. Two people could not complete the full mask flood / clear, and one guy panicked so bad he would up kicking the instructor straight in the cajones. Was any of that comfortable, no, but I never once felt like I was in danger or in a pickle I couldn't get myself out of. As long as I kept the reg in my mouth and breathed, I was going to be fine. Knowing that helped me from ever panicking.

Overall, it was a blast. I had a ton of fun just in the pool, and I can't wait to actually get certified and start exploring.
What agency was this? How many instructors were there?
 
Wow yeah like the poster above…never heard of a class that large. One piece of advice I’ll give, since I’m also normally am a “just deal with it don’t complain” type of person. I had to work real hard to overcome that mindset with diving, and not wanting to come off as “that guy.”. But diving is not like that, it’s different. If something is not right, whether equipment fit, or your knowledge, skills, someone’s behavior, a gut feeling, dive conditions, etc….DON’T just let it ride. Speak up, and be proactive about calling out/addressing the small issues…otherwise eventually one of those times it’ll turn into a BIG issue.
 
i would never have become an instructor if those were the conditions i was asked to teach in.

we used to provide 6 pool sessions aprox 2 hrs long. about 4.5 hrs in the water. and that was followed by an in room class session for academics for an hr or two.

at some point the shop stopped even doing academic sessions to save money by not having to pay an instructor to do it. everything was then done online.

there is no way i would take a student into one of our lakes after only 2 pool sessions. i would have quit first.
 
So, I had my two days of confined water training this weekend, and firstly I have to say what an absolute blast it was. Once I got past some slight nerves and anxiety the first 5 minutes, I didn't want to come up. I cannot wait to get certified in open water this summer. Seeing as ya'll like to discuss and talk about things here, I figured I'd join in and review my experience.

First, I'll start with the equipment, because it's the first thing you touch and have to deal with. I'm a big guy, tall and large. Before I signed up for classes I went into the shop and asked if they had equipment to comfortably fit me. The guy said "Yeah, for sure, not a problem. We've certified bigger guys!". That eased my anxiety, right until the first day of classes I show up to the shop and the guy tosses me a bunch of gear that doesn't really fit, while encouraging me it does fit. I asked for a different BCD and they finally found one that I could make work, but I wouldn't call it a good fit, all buckled up it felt like having someone sit on my chest. No big deal, I've dealt with ill fitting equipment my whole life, I can get through this.

At the pool, instructors told us to assemble our kits, not a problem. Whipped it all together, tossed it in the pool, and leaks... Everything was leaking. Tank O-ring was leaking, 2nd stage secondary was leaking, LPI hose fitting was leaking on the BCD. Notified the instructor, he say's he'll grab some backups. I rig up the backup tank and octo, and wouldn't you know it, the new tank and octo leak worse than the first ones! Okay, no big deal, I ask for the old ones back and I'll monitor my air a bit more often. After about 10mins the primary secondary started fluttering and was way harder to breathe from than my backup secondary, so I switched to my backup for the remainder of the classes. I think this whole situation just encouraged me to never rent gear ever.

The actual class was packed. The pool had anywhere between 10-20 people in it, and it was a 25m pool, not olympic. Everyone was bumping into everyone, people descending on people in the deep end. There was 1 instructor per 6 students, but it didn't feel sufficient. Every skill we ran through was brisked past, the 1 minute mask off underwater skill was actually 15 seconds if you appeared to not be panicking. The 30minute mini dive was closer to 3 laps around the pool before the instructor thumbed us up. My partner and I weren't screwing around, so were made sure we did our drills together and made sure we didn't gloss past em even if the instructor was willing to.

The instructors were very kind and encouraging, I do not fault them for class size, I feel they handled it to the best of their capabilities. The equipment also wasn't their fault. They made sure the class was fun and light hearted while being serious about safety as best they could.

My biggest observation, people are panicky animals when even slightly uncomfortable. Swimming and diving isn't the most popular where I am from, so I can see a lot of people not being even remotely close to being underwater, but I underestimated. I saw people rip their regs out of their mouth (assuming cause they coughed on some water) and bolt to the surface. I saw people claw and grab at other peoples gear when they seemingly had no reason to be panicked. Two people could not complete the full mask flood / clear, and one guy panicked so bad he would up kicking the instructor straight in the cajones. Was any of that comfortable, no, but I never once felt like I was in danger or in a pickle I couldn't get myself out of. As long as I kept the reg in my mouth and breathed, I was going to be fine. Knowing that helped me from ever panicking.

Overall, it was a blast. I had a ton of fun just in the pool, and I can't wait to actually get certified and start exploring.
That’s kinda ******, in the future, to get your money’s worth, it might be wise to look for other shops.
If that’s not an option, consider private 1:1 instruction, you’ll pay a little more, but the attention is well worth it. Except “stress and rescue” that class is better with more than 2 people.
As for the broke gear/ not properly fitted gear, that’s not atypical in shops rental gear, if this sport is for you (which it sounds as it is) it will be wise to invest in quality gear. You can search here or Facebook for brands that are quality and what brands are serviced by the shops in your area.
 
So, I had my two days of confined water training this weekend, and firstly I have to say what an absolute blast it was. Once I got past some slight nerves and anxiety the first 5 minutes, I didn't want to come up. I cannot wait to get certified in open water this summer. Seeing as ya'll like to discuss and talk about things here, I figured I'd join in and review my experience.

First, I'll start with the equipment, because it's the first thing you touch and have to deal with. I'm a big guy, tall and large. Before I signed up for classes I went into the shop and asked if they had equipment to comfortably fit me. The guy said "Yeah, for sure, not a problem. We've certified bigger guys!". That eased my anxiety, right until the first day of classes I show up to the shop and the guy tosses me a bunch of gear that doesn't really fit, while encouraging me it does fit. I asked for a different BCD and they finally found one that I could make work, but I wouldn't call it a good fit, all buckled up it felt like having someone sit on my chest. No big deal, I've dealt with ill fitting equipment my whole life, I can get through this.

At the pool, instructors told us to assemble our kits, not a problem. Whipped it all together, tossed it in the pool, and leaks... Everything was leaking. Tank O-ring was leaking, 2nd stage secondary was leaking, LPI hose fitting was leaking on the BCD. Notified the instructor, he say's he'll grab some backups. I rig up the backup tank and octo, and wouldn't you know it, the new tank and octo leak worse than the first ones! Okay, no big deal, I ask for the old ones back and I'll monitor my air a bit more often. After about 10mins the primary secondary started fluttering and was way harder to breathe from than my backup secondary, so I switched to my backup for the remainder of the classes. I think this whole situation just encouraged me to never rent gear ever.

The actual class was packed. The pool had anywhere between 10-20 people in it, and it was a 25m pool, not olympic. Everyone was bumping into everyone, people descending on people in the deep end. There was 1 instructor per 4 students, but it didn't feel sufficient for the amount of people in the pool. Every skill we ran through was brisked past before showing the skill, the 1 minute mask off underwater skill was actually 15 seconds if you appeared to not be panicking. The 30minute mini dive was closer to 3 laps around the pool before the instructor thumbed us up. My partner and I weren't screwing around, so were made sure we did our drills together and made sure we didn't gloss past em even if the instructor was willing to.

The instructors were very kind and encouraging, I do not fault them for class size, I feel they handled it to the best of their capabilities. The equipment also wasn't their fault. They made sure the class was fun and light hearted while being serious about safety as best they could.

My biggest observation, people are panicky animals when even slightly uncomfortable. Swimming and diving isn't the most popular where I am from, so I can see a lot of people not being even remotely close to being underwater, but I underestimated. I saw people rip their regs out of their mouth (assuming cause they coughed on some water) and bolt to the surface. I saw people claw and grab at other peoples gear when they seemingly had no reason to be panicked. Two people could not complete the full mask flood / clear, and one guy panicked so bad he wound up kicking the instructor. Was any of that comfortable, no, but I never once felt like I was in danger or in a pickle I couldn't get myself out of. As long as I kept the reg in my mouth and breathed, I was going to be fine. Knowing that helped me from ever panicking.

Overall, it was a blast. I had a ton of fun just in the pool, and I can't wait to actually get certified and start exploring.
I’m not impressed with the instructor student ratio. For us we can do 4, my preference is 2 students. Then a minimum of 4 pool (sheltered water) session before moving to open water.

If the equipment isn’t maintained properly, I’d find another shop - it is your life support system.
 
Wow, first time I have ever heard of cattleboat training sessions. Glad you were able to make the best of it but, I would ask questions about your open water training. One, they need to provide you with gear that is fully functional and fits you. Next how many students per instructor? any more than 4 seems way too many to me. Where is your open water going to be? Big difference between warm waters or a midwest quarry. Diving is fun but proper and comfortable training will make you better. Good luck
There was 1 instructor per 4 students most of the time, sometimes an instructor would leave for a few minutes and the other would cover the group. I really cannot stress enough that the instructors were fantastic and absolutely did their best with the size of the class and students they were dealing with, I fully understand they were under time constraints for the pool. They made sure to ask if we had questions or needed help after every lesson.
What agency was this? How many instructors were there?
PADI, 1 instructor per 4 students! Sorry I typo'd in my original thread, cleared that up now.
Wow yeah like the poster above…never heard of a class that large. One piece of advice I’ll give, since I’m also normally am a “just deal with it don’t complain” type of person. I had to work real hard to overcome that mindset with diving, and not wanting to come off as “that guy.”. But diving is not like that, it’s different. If something is not right, whether equipment fit, or your knowledge, skills, someone’s behavior, a gut feeling, dive conditions, etc….DON’T just let it ride. Speak up, and be proactive about calling out/addressing the small issues…otherwise eventually one of those times it’ll turn into a BIG issue.
I had 1 instructor for my group of 4, but we were in the pool right besides 2-3 other classes going on so it probably just seemed more hectic than it actually was.

I really don't want people to think I had a bad experience or the people who are training me are sub-par. I was expecting it to be a little more boot-camp style and pretty no-fun learning environment, but it was extremely laid back and a lot of fun.


I feel like my instructors did the very best they could with what they had, and they probably didn't expect such a large volume of people on that weekend. As for the gear, I am deceptively bigger than I look, so I forgive them for assuming they had gear that'd be comfortable. I do not expect them to buy a brand new bcd and wetsuit just for me, I'll work with what they have then buy my own. I understand the safety of properly fitting gear, I wouldn't have bothered getting wet if I didn't think the equipment was at least safe. Hopefully that kit gets serviced a little more often.


It's really been a great experience with this place, and I hope my post didn't come off as all negative. The place has communicated excellent, they took a lot of time to explain to me fitment of mask and fins and helped me pick out a pair that fit me well, and at a price point I could afford. Two instructors I was talking to after the lessons gave me their phone #s and told me to call whenever if I have questions about anything. Everyone has been beyond friendly.
 
I’m not impressed with the instructor student ratio. For us we can do 4, my preference is 2 students. Then a minimum of 4 pool (sheltered water) session before moving to open water.

If the equipment isn’t maintained properly, I’d find another shop - it is your life support system.
I'd like to apologize, I made a typo in my original post. I corrected it to 4. We were in groups of 4 per instructor.
 
i would never have become an instructor if those were the conditions i was asked to teach in.

we used to provide 6 pool sessions aprox 2 hrs long. about 4.5 hrs in the water. and that was followed by an in room class session for academics for an hr or two.

at some point the shop stopped even doing academic sessions to save money by not having to pay an instructor to do it. everything was then done online.

there is no way i would take a student into one of our lakes after only 2 pool sessions. i would have quit first.
The pool sessions were 6hrs each day. They covered everything the online learning went over, nothing was skipped, it just felt more like a display of skills vs being able to really sit there and dial it in, but I am sure it was because we were on a very strict pool schedule.
 

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