Diamond International got knocked off

[cvchief]

Now it's 13 of the 15 people arrested, 2 leaders got away with the goodies.

They may start arming their cops now, huh? I hate that. I'd rather cut back on temptation than expose the area to gun battles.

So move the diamonds and anything else worth stealing to Playa? Safe bet no one will rob the 5 for 20 tee shirt shop.... :ironmyshirt: Odd to worry about arming cops when the military is wandering around with assorted assault rifles and sub guns. And what is up with that? Does Mexico buy off the left overs rack? It seems like no two soldiers have the same rifle or sub gun?

 

[DandyDon]

Odd to worry about arming cops when the military is wandering around with assorted assault rifles and sub guns. And what is up with that? Does Mexico buy off the left overs rack? It seems like no two soldiers have the same rifle or sub gun?

I'm afraid armed cops would be more likely to use their weapons, and I don't want us dodging cross fires. I suspect your own officers have rules about when not to fire, while I am leery about these cops with guns.

I'd rather they put the goodies behind locked bars. They just broke windows and grabbed without any shots fired.

I hadn't paid attention to the soldier's weapons but figured they were for show.

 

[cvchief]

I'm afraid armed cops would be more likely to use their weapons, and I don't want us dodging cross fires. I suspect your own officers have rules about when not to fire, while I am leery about these cops with guns.

I'd rather they put the goodies behind locked bars. They just broke windows and grabbed without any shots fired.

I hadn't paid attention to the soldier's weapons but figured they were for show.

Actually Por Esto says there was a shot fired. That is a problem with criminals. Not matter how careful you are to not make them mad, they slip in their gun discipline. Anyway though so if I follow your logic:thinking: :

1.Put the stuff behind bars. How will they sell it then? Someone has the key? So then they crack them in the head too? Actually, if you don't want anyone around with guns, then perhaps the goodies should be much EASIER to get at. No reason to slow down or irate men with guns, especially if your goal is to let them get away. Everyone might get cracked in the head.:bonk::hurt::knocked-o Hey its only some chance of a skull fracture with complications when you are pistol whipped right? :whack: Worse if you lock it up, it might take so long that the cops and military WITH guns show up and we don't want that right?
2. Cops should be unarmed and run away if the perps have guns. So, if the crap in the stores is under lock and key, street robbery will be the way to go! Waive a gun and the cops leave.:ar15:
3. If training is an issues, then .... wait for it..... train them.:gun:

One of the reports said that the banditos were looking for that poor unarmed cop, because they knew he was there in pre-planning. Of course they weren't worried because he was unarmed, they just wanted to crack him in the head too I guess or worse.

Now if I was the Chicken Man,:bandit: I would think this worked well. I got all my stuff and got outta there with no one seriously hurt, so less attention. I would start recruiting my next gang of nit wits.:dunce::dunce::dunce: All have to do is convince them to be more careful getting away. After all, they are the only ones with guns so it is fairly safe.

I mean the bad guys on La Isla don't bother tourists, but if a narco guy WAS chasing me with a gun for whatever reason, I would be happy to have a municipal guy wing a couple shots at him to dissuade him. Heck on Melgar you get the right angle and the ocean is your backstop.

I would hope that the military weapons they take on the their drugs raids are loaded and not just for show. I imagine the narcos guns are loaded. Of course the trafficantes do seem to carefully shoot their peeps on the Island so as not to bother anyone else. They don't seem to go for the American 'spray and pray' model.

 

[DandyDon]

I imagine the Army weapons are loaded, but with rules of engagement. I don't want to see cops newly armed not clear on rules. Something more than "Next time, shoot." The store was just inviting robbery, being sloppy because crime has been rare and low key in the past.

I wonder how many think that the hiding cop was in on it?

 

[cvchief]

I imagine the Army weapons are loaded, but with rules of engagement. I don't want to see cops newly armed not clear on rules. Something more than "Next time, shoot."

Well, no one said pass out guns at the next roll call. Of course train them. You know that the muni police in CZM are subjected to random drug testing?

The store was just inviting robbery, being sloppy because crime has been rare and low key in the past.

How? Buy selling really expensive jewelry and watches that the pods snap up? Like they didn't do there five minute "checks for someone coming down the street with hammers and guns about to crack the security guy in the head and steal all the good crap" drill? I don't see what they could de-sloppy.

I wonder how many think that the hiding cop was in on it?

The poor SOB is ordered by gov to stand in front of Diamond store with a huge inventory value without a vest and gun. He hides behind a hotdog cart so not to get killed and you ask does anyone think he was in on it? Really? :shocked2: Even if you want to insult the poor guy with that suggestion, why the world would the banditos have paid him? "Ok, look here is 1000 pesos. When we rob the place, you have to promise not to stand up, blow your whistle and say, 'stop that or I will have to say stop that again.' Maybe hide behind a cart and pretend like we might shoot you...."

Oh, I just called and asked the cop about it and he said tell DD, "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon (or a whistle) and stand a post (or a hot dog cart)." :grinjester:

 

[DandyDon]

I don't blame Andy Griffith for hiding nor did I accuse him. Glad it wasn't Barney with his bullet.

So the leaders got away in a speed boat, left the helpers behind to take the rap and not share in the goodies - I bet that was planned, and they are still hiding. Wonder if they had a plane waiting in PDC?

 

[annlaur]

First of all, are you sure the guy standing in front of the robbed store was a cop ? Many places hire private security, I don't know that municipal police forces are paid to stand watch in front of private businesses.
[EDIT : I stand corrected by cvchief quoting Por Esto saying Diamond International pays the munipality for this service].
I believe the suggestion (which is not ours to make anyway, not our country, not our rules) to arm all policias in light of one isolated incident is overreacting. It's not like there are armed robberies on a daily basis in Cozumel.
Besides, some island cops already do carry weapons (there was a story a few months ago about one of them accidentally firing on his partner while peeing outdoors&#8230. And if the person (cop or private guard) standing next to the Diamond Store had been armed, chances are the whole thing might have turned into a blood bath.
If I were to meddle with Mexican policies and politics, I'd rather see the policias (and other categories of workers) get a better wage…

Question : do you think those Cartier watches mentionned in the Por Esto article are genuine ? Years ago there were a couple of very successful "Van Cleef & Arpels" jewelry stores on Cozumel and Isla Mujeres who were fakes. I always wonder about those Diamond International and other stores if it's the same kind of "scam" or the real deal (not that I would ever spend more than 50 bucks on a watch).

 

[gypsyjim]

Not sure how one reduces temptation.

Tourism and especially fleecing pod people is a bit $ draw, and those folks come expecting to find gaudy trinkets at "wholesale" prices.

Locals are dirt poor, and police unarmed.

Putting the good stuff behind bars is not only not going to help make the tourists part with their $, it also would only result in a shift in the tools a gang is required to bring in order to pull off trhe next heist.

And simply assuming that arming officers would not also be accomanaied by training at all in their use and application, is somehow an serious jump in logic that I do not follow.

 

[deepstops]

Question : do you think those Cartier watches mentionned in the Por Esto article are genuine ? Years ago there were a couple of very successful "Van Cleef & Arpels" jewelry stores on Cozumel and Isla Mujeres who were fakes. I always wonder about those Diamond International and other stores if it's the same kind of "scam" or the real deal (not that I would ever spend more than 50 bucks on a watch).

My wife bought a 1.5 carat diamond at DI in Aruba. It appraised within 3% of what she paid for it here in Florida. We got a decent deal.




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[annlaur]

If we're gonna play back seat quaterbacking or couch driving or whatever, let's look at some issues.

Cops are among the poorest category of workers in Mexico (hence the high rate of corruption and the abuse of civilians via the unfamous "mordida"). Although many enter the profession with ideals and the genuine desire to protect civilians and serve a greater good, the fact is that some cops are corrupt and working with the bad guys. Obviously, the brighter ones sooner or later leave the municipal police to get a decent salary they can actually live on. So that leaves us with many uneducated, not so smart and/or not law-abiding people…
Question : can and should everyone be trained when it comes to firearms ?

In Cancun and Cozumel, the policias municipales work 24 hour shifts (with a 4 hour break for lunch, not much time for a siesta as that 4 hour break includes commuting from one assignement to the next and many can't afford personal transportation so don't have time to go home, cook, eat, nap and get back on the job). If there's a special event, such as the gobernador or another official visiting the island, then they all have to be working, so the 24 hr shift can extend to 48 or more.
Question : do you really want to put lethal weapons in the hands of people who haven't slept for 24 hours or more ?

Last but not least : where do you find the money to arm and train the police ? Raise taxes ?