Deep diving advice that goes against conventional thought?

[tomfcrist]

When was that? Your navy days? Do a lot of deep technical stuff? I seem to remember something about you considering a revo.

edit: found it http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ca...-diving-three-quarter-time-2.html#post7043910

So please, go on about how you don't need deep OC proficiency to dive a Ccr and how gas switches are no big deal and how you're the boss.

Yes in the navy....I'm still in the navy actually....and no, I can't take work toys home....so yeah, I'm still considering a revo. Anything else?

 

[mmadiver]

Yes in the navy....I'm still in the navy actually....and no, I can't take work toys home....so yeah, I'm still considering a revo. Anything else?

Always good to see another USN diver - why are you still diving the MK15?

 

[PfcAJ]

Yes in the navy....I'm still in the navy actually....and no, I can't take work toys home....so yeah, I'm still considering a revo. Anything else?

Makes me question how applicable your experience is... I doubt your lar v is a good choice for technical diving, and I wonder how much deep experience you have on the mk15. In any case, it has NOTHING to do with bailout or skills degradation, so it's kind of a moot point.

 

[mmadiver]

Lets break this down for you then.....

No kidding when a CCR breaks you are back to OC....You must have an IQ of 160.

What are you guys carrying for bailout on your MIL CCR dives?

 

[DCBC]

I don't use a Ccr.

The discussion (as I understand it) was on CCR. You seem to be opinionated on operational procedures which you know nothing of.

Your earlier post really made it sound like you were suggesting that a diver not need bailout (and some people actually dive like that).

There is a difference between bail-out bottles (OC mixed-gas to be used in case of CCR failure) and bail-out (the act of using these bottles when required). I'd appreciate it if you would stop suggesting that my comments are 'beyond ridiculous,' when you clearly don't understand the subject matter.

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...And let's lay out your certs regarding technical diving if you want to play that game...

Can I play too?

...and I wonder how much deep experience you have on the mk15.

You have three (maybe more) former Navy Divers reading your 'declarations of expertise.' If I were you, I'd check the attitude. A Navy diver's training is comprehensive. Whatever your recreational training level is, that's great, but it's not likely to impress anyone in this conversation.

---------- Post added March 30th, 2014 at 05:38 AM ----------

What are you guys carrying for bailout on your MIL CCR dives?

I left the Navy years ago; at that time, no bailout gas was carried for EOD (Draeger or Mark 15). Today the SEALs only use the Draeger (O2) and don't carry a bailout bottle because their OPS are restricted to shallow water. SEABEES don't use either unit. Hope this helps.

 

[dsr30]

I'm not a ND but USN, it's good to see Navy guys here. Hooyah!

 

[tomfcrist]

Yes in the navy....I'm still in the navy actually....and no, I can't take work toys home....so yeah, I'm still considering a revo. Anything else?

Always good to see another USN diver - why are you still diving the MK15?

I'm not still diving it...but they were around in my early career. The draeger will never go away though.

Dcbc already covered the bailout question.

 

[ajduplessis]

You Marines Rock....

 

[PfcAJ]

The discussion (as I understand it) was on CCR. You seem to be opinionated on operational procedures which you know nothing of.



There is a difference between bail-out bottles (OC mixed-gas to be used in case of CCR failure) and bail-out (the act of using these bottles when required). I'd appreciate it if you would stop suggesting that my comments are 'beyond ridiculous,' when you clearly don't understand the subject matter.

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Can I play too?



You have three (maybe more) former Navy Divers reading your 'declarations of expertise.' If I were you, I'd check the attitude. A Navy diver's training is comprehensive. Whatever your recreational training level is, that's great, but it's not likely to impress anyone in this conversation.

---------- Post added March 30th, 2014 at 05:38 AM ----------



I left the Navy years ago; at that time, no bailout gas was carried for EOD (Draeger or Mark 15). Today the SEALs only use the Draeger (O2) and don't carry a bailout bottle because their OPS are restricted to shallow water. SEABEES don't use either unit. Hope this helps.

So you're going to tell me that a Navy diver's training is comprehensive, then turn around and say that bailout isn't even carried.

Color me unimpressed.

 

[Akimbo]

...Color me unimpressed.

You should be very impressed that the immense amount of time the military puts on CCRs has proven that they don’t need OC bailouts. Anyone who has seen the difference in training and discipline in the Military and recreational use of CCRs understands why.

You also need to understand the functional and operational difference between mixed gas and pure oxygen CCRs. The surface is your bailout on a pure O2 CCR.

Please don’t start with the nonsense that people are expendables in the Military. Divers that die under your command for foreseeable and preventable reasons is one of the worst things than can happen to a career.