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"Actually I couldn't wait to get out of there because I was anxious about 'deep' dive. IT was to about 70 feet in cold but pretty clear water. Viz was probably 30-50 feet or so.

Just remember, stay close to your DM or instructor and keep in mind that if you run out of air, or something goes wrong, they're right there to help you."


"I couldn't wait to get out of there"

"if you run out of air..."

My friend, it sounds like you were not ready to make that dive - why did you?

D.S.D.
 
Before you do a deep dive you should learn at least a little something about air management ... actually, you should learn more than a little.

Do you know how fast you consume air? Has your instructor talked to you about SAC rate ... how to determine it, and how to use it to figure out how quickly you will consume air at depth?

Do you know what turn pressure means, and how to determine it?

Has your instructor discussed with you the importance of monitoring your air pressure regularly?

Can you determine that you will even be carrying enough air for the dive you are planning?

What about buddy skills .... has your instructor discussed the importance of keeping a safe proximity to your dive buddy? Watching your dive buddy for signs of stress or narcosis (have you even discussed what those are)? How to respond if you see those signs? Diving in a manner that allows you and your buddy to maintain visual contact at all times?

If the answer to any of those question is no, then you have not adequately prepared for a deep dive. You may be just fine, but that's because you will be depending on your instructor or divemaster to keep you safe, rather than going down with adequate knowledge to keep yourself safe.

Remember, once you are certified AOW you will want to do these dives without the assistance of an instructor or DM. Gas management and buddy skills are essential ... both to help you avoid the most common cause of trouble and to teach you how to deal with most common causes of distress. Your AOW class should be the vehicle by which you learn these skills.

There's far more to deep diving than just the experience of the dive. A little anxiety is normal ... but the proper training will include the skills to help you deal with it.

And FWIW - I don't ask my students to solve a puzzle or math problem at depth ... you will never do something like that after class. My students do an out-of-air drill at depth ... I just spit my reg out, flash my light in their direction, and see how they respond. That tells me everything I need to know about their ability to handle narcosis ... and it's by far the most probable emergency you will have to deal with at depth. Best to see under supervision how you will deal with it. Oh ... and kneeling on the bottom isn't allowed. If you are going deep, you need to have adequate buoyancy control to be able to handle common problems without losing buoyancy. If you do not, then you should work on your buoyancy control at shallower depths before attempting a deep dive. Losing buoyancy on a deep dive can quickly result in an uncontrolled ascent, which can land you in the chamber, or worse.

Yes, relax and have fun ... but make sure you have received the proper training in advance of the dive ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
NWGD makes some excellent points, & I will add to his questions the following:

> What is your motivation for taking an advanced class with so little experience?

* Is peer pressure? Pressure from a dive shop with economical motives? Or perhaps
self-imposed presssure to "prove" oneself?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above, perhaps you should re-examine your decision to make the dive at this time.

There is no dis-honour in saying "no", on the contrary, I have nothing but respect for those individuals with the personal moxy to do what they believe to be right for themselves.

D.S.D.
 
Yeah, I wonder about new divers with less than 15 dives taking the AOW course? But that's been discussed here recently.

In this lady's case, perhaps her Padi Instr is going with a trend perahps set by the English agency (whose name escapes me right now) that seems to carry basic training further than most others.

Bottom line - is this way to go, or should a diver have more experience before going to AOW?
 
I like the way you think (teach) NWGratefulDiver. It sounds like a great base for teaching down the road. Unfortunately I don't think this is the norm. I did my AOW shortly after my OW. I had a great teacher but it was not up to your class by no means.
JK
 
DandyDon:
Yeah, I wonder about new divers with less than 15 dives taking the AOW course? But that's been discussed here recently.

In this lady's case, perhaps her Padi Instr is going with a trend perahps set by the English agency (whose name escapes me right now) that seems to carry basic training further than most others.

Bottom line - is this way to go, or should a diver have more experience before going to AOW?

I've been told that an accident will more likely occur within your first 15 dives. (Statistics) Taking an AOW course with an experienced instructor and/or DM will provide you with more dives with someone with experience. Is it better for two newly certified divers to be hitting 60 feet for the first 20 dives or so?
Jason
 
DandyDon:
Yeah, I wonder about new divers with less than 15 dives taking the AOW course? But that's been discussed here recently.

In this lady's case, perhaps her Padi Instr is going with a trend perahps set by the English agency (whose name escapes me right now) that seems to carry basic training further than most others.

Bottom line - is this way to go, or should a diver have more experience before going to AOW?

Hey Dandy D,

Since trying to get scuba training agencies to agree on anything is time wasted, I suggest the decision as to whether a candidate is ready for AOW should be a function of the Instructor's review of the candidate's diving history, & a frank conversation between Instructor & the student.

A good Instructor will be concerned with a candidate's readiness for advanced training & should be prepared to ask the right questions, & make the necessary recommendation(s).

Now, if we could just get the training agencies to show the same thoroughness when considering Instructor candidates!

Regards,
D.S.D.
 
Kennedydive:
I like the way you think (teach) NWGratefulDiver. It sounds like a great base for teaching down the road. Unfortunately I don't think this is the norm. I did my AOW shortly after my OW. I had a great teacher but it was not up to your class by no means.
JK

Thank you ... I also had some great teachers. Some, like Uncle Pug, aren't even instructors.

One thing I look for in a teacher ... whether instructor or mentor ... is the ability to answer "why" to everything that's taught. If you can get someone to understand that, you have given them the tools to utilize the most important piece of scuba gear they will have with them on any dive ... their brain.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
DeepSeaDan:
Since trying to get scuba training agencies to agree on anything is time wasted, I suggest the decision as to whether a candidate is ready for AOW should be a function of the Instructor's review of the candidate's diving history, & a frank conversation between Instructor & the student.

Regards,
D.S.D.

I agree with what you are saying here, but as has been pointed out in several threads regarding when to take the AOW course, many instructors think that AOW immediately after OW certification is the way to go.

Clearly the newly minted diver has no real diving history and the instructors only frank point of conversation is,"I think you're ready for AOW"

There just aren't enough NWGD's out there.
 
DeepSeaDan:
NWGD makes some excellent points, & I will add to his questions the following:

> What is your motivation for taking an advanced class with so little experience?

* Is peer pressure? Pressure from a dive shop with economical motives? Or perhaps
self-imposed presssure to "prove" oneself?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above, perhaps you should re-examine your decision to make the dive at this time.

There is no dis-honour in saying "no", on the contrary, I have nothing but respect for those individuals with the personal moxy to do what they believe to be right for themselves.

D.S.D.

Definitely not peer pressure - in fact most of my friends think I'm crazy for diving in the first place. The other divers I know are qualified to various levels and generally just think it's cool that I dive. Definitely not pressure from my instructor. The first thing I asked after I got my OW water was "What now?" and his reply was "It depends on what you feel you're ready for, and what you want to do. If this is as far as you want to go I hope you'll keep coming diving with us, you've been a great addition to the group. If you want to go further you've got tons of options." Which he then told me about. That was a loooooooooooooong conversation!

It wasn't about proving myself either. I think I proved myself just getting my OW!

Basically (feel free to laugh :lol2: , flame :redhot: or poke me with a stick :1poke: ) I just thought "I want to learn more."

However I did do about 10 logged dives post OW. I know this isn't a lot but, without sounding big headed/completely foolish, I wanted to move onto something new. I wanted to pick up skills like Peak Performance Buoyancy that will improve my diving.

So feel free to laugh me off the board!

NauticalbutNice :fruit:
 

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