Creation vs. Evolution

[Bryan]

faith, spirituality and religion can be entirely orthogonal to science and coexist happily.

They might even be components of a unified theory, depending upon your perspective.

 

[Rick Murchison]

Actually, in the case of birds, we have quite a few. There is a well described fossil progression from dinosaurs to birds, with intermediary species showing the evolution from land-based dinosaurs, to what we believe are gliding dinosaur/bird intermediaries, to primitive birds (Archaeopteryx). Someone linked to a good webpage on this before, perhaps they'll throw that link in again.

I found this news article. Not exactly the best, but it does describe a dinosaur that was in the earliest stages of becoming a bird:

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/science/9806/23/feathered.dinosaur/

Bryan

"Quite a few" appears to be two. Your faith in the theory is large and commendable... I notice that in the scientific community there is still considerable debate.
Personally, I think that either birds are evolved dinosaurs, or they had a common ancestor. The difference is that I think there was (and is) some guidance along the way. A Grand Plan, if you will, that's still unfolding.
Rick

 

[H2Andy]

I notice that in the scientific community there is still considerable debate.

only as to WHICH dino the birds come from, not whether they did or not

"Quite a few" appears to be two.

not at all correct. try this list:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC214.html

Soggy already provided it to you. did you not read it?

 

[SeanQ]

I wonder: assuming that the Earth is only 6000 years old, plate tectonics are fiction and Mt. Everest has always been roughly 8.8km above the current sea level, what is the volume of all the extra water required to cover it?

 

[Green_Manelishi]

you actually believe that a long time ago, God told this guy named Noah to build an ark, and he did, and a bunch of animals trooped to him, and they got on the ark, and they all survived a flood that covered the whole earth for 40 days?

you think this is literaly true?

described exactly as it happened?

you do, don't you?

Sure.
You believe it all just happened yet you did not see any of it all just happen.
The Church of Science-ology.

 

[H2Andy]

Sure.

ok, well, that's a very uncritical look at your source, and a rather facile reading of an ancient myth

i at least demanded evidence before deciding that evolution made sense


you belive Rome was built, right? yet you didn't see it happen ... there's a lot of evidence to be had other than seeing something with your own eyes

 

[SeanQ]

This thread is making me dizzy...

 

[Thalassamania]

Genesis 7:7 states that Noah and his family entered the ark. Genesis 7:8-9 state the animals "... went into the ark to Noah." Even today animals seem to know when catastrophe is about to strike. Humans prefer to go to the beach and watch the big wave(s).

So where did he put the 700,000 beetles that he had to carry, not to mention all the other insects?

 

[H2Andy]

This thread is making me dizzy...

(lay off the dubbage, bro)

 

[H2Andy]

So where did he put the 700,000 beetles that he had to carry, not to mention all the other insects?

well, according to their site, he only had to carry one of each "kind"

so he probably only carried two beetles

which then went on overspeed speciation and in 6,000 years evolved into all the species of beetles we know today

:14:

joke: i would have carried at least four beetles -- George, Paul, John, and Ringo

well... ok ... three beetles...screw RIngo