Creation vs. Evolution

[SeanQ]

you actually believe that a long time ago, God told this guy named Noah to build an ark, and he did, and a bunch of animals trooped to him, and they got on the ark, and they all survived a flood that covered the whole earth for 40 days?

you think this is literaly true?

described exactly as it happened?

you do, don't you?

I wonder what the diving would have been like?

 

[H2Andy]

I wonder what the diving would have been like?

probalby awesome, but i bet getting refills was a *****

 

[pterantula]

probalby awesome, but i bet getting refills was a *****

Haynow - no talking about diving here, this is strictly for... uhh... something.... something futile, I remember that much......

 

[Soggy]

No. This is what you asked.

I misread which post you were responding to. This was what I had hoped you would've responded to:

How about scientific evidence that there was ever a human being alive of that age?

 

[Green_Manelishi]

Wait, so *all* the animals came to Noah? Must be some good swimmers in there to make it across the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. I wonder if the Galapagos Turtles swam to Noah, along with the Mountain Lions in North America.

With swimmers like that, what was Noah's job exactly? They could've just chilled in the big world-wide jacuzzi.

Did he put them back afterwards or did they swim back across the oceans and reisolate themselves?

Stop embarrassing yourself. It's a children's story, nothing more.

Stop embarrasing myself? That's funny.

I actually enjoy this spirited debate. I am on the winning team. Sure, we might lose an occasional battle but it's the war that is important. And we battle not against flesh and blood but principalities and ...

To answer your questions: even your church (science-ology) admits there have been cataclysmic events in earth's history. They believe that at one time there was one giant continent (Pangea I think was its name) and they certainly believe in speciation and adaption. They also believe there are "old" mountains and "new" mountains. It's a matter of detail of origins and age.

You believe it all "just happened". Or perhaps there was a sightless, planless, clueless watchmaker but you want us to not ask where he acquired the raw parts like DNA. Answer: "he just did. It was there. VOILA !!!". I think your explanation is that abiogenesis is not relevant to evilootion. :no It is relevant.

So pay attention here:

It's probable that Pangea was where Noah and all the animals got on the boat. Then the fountains of the deep were broken open (meteor strikes and volcanic activity?) as well as the floodgates of the heavens were opened and it began to rain like ... well it rained hard. Since there were no really high mountains (the new ones) it was not necessary for the water to be 7 miles deep. After the earth was flooded and the rain stopped and the floodgates closed the tectonic activity probably continued for some time and new mountains arose. Eventually Noah and the animals got off the boat. The animals scattered and eventually adapted to the new climates; there is some belief that one thing that happened as a result of the flood was the earth shifted on its axis and that's gave us the seasons. Some creationists have theorized that an ice age followed "soon" after the flood. Because the cloud cover was gone lifespans were greatly reduced. Eventually mankind once again began to act the pissant so God confounded their languages and they scattered. Eventually some animals would be hunted out of existance (mammoths and sabre tooth tigers?) and others would just die out from insufficient adaptation.

Eventually water levels dropped enough, and geology changed enough, that persons and animals were isolated. Even the new mountains have fossils on them and evidence of being underwater. But we all know (wink, wink) that's because they were under and ancient sea but that could NOT possibly been a flood.

I could continue but you probably won't believe it anyway

 

[H2Andy]

I could continue but you probably won't believe it anyway

answer two questions:

1. was every animal alive today in Noah's Ark?

2. how long ago did the flood take place?

thanks

 

[pterantula]

I am on the winning team.

REALLY? What did I miss? (note to Moderator: aren't we supposed to keep from being overly condescending, and offensively smug? Why is it only the sensibilities of the "faithful" that we have to worry about offending? Just wondering.)

 

[adurso]

If we are now looking at the Christian Bible as a source, perhaps someone can help me with something that has puzzled me for quite a while: Men wrote the book. Men are fallible and imperfect. G-d inspired the men, thus removing the imperfection by divine inspiration. The books were written in what are now dead languages and translated into other dead languages then into another dead language then into the vulgate in the middle ages then translated a bunch more into english.

Is there no possibility of error creeping in? What brought this to mind was the following:
A young monk is sent to a scriptorium where he sets to work making illustrated copies. He questions a senior monk as to why he is copying a copy, rather than an original source. The senior monk tells the young monk there is no possibility of errors in the copies, but just to show the young upstart that copies are just as accurate as the originals he brings the young monk into the cellars where the originals are stored. The senior monk brings forth an old document and begins to read, suddenly he breaks down and begins to cry; the concerned young monk rushes to the senior's aid, asking what is wrong. The senior monk cries out:"It says CELEBRATE, CELEBRATE".......

 

[pterantula]

It's probable that Pangea was where Noah and all the animals got on the boat.

Pangea (one of the supercontinents in history, but we'll sidestep that) was around 200 million years ago; that's geology talking, hard to refute (though not for lack of trying...).

Don't recall any bipedal hominids around. Oh, sorry, that's part of the issue, innit? (I guess the Flood washed away all possible traces of humans, for about 190 million years or so?... how long was this danged flood?)

 

[Steve_Dives]

I wonder what the diving would have been like?

And I thought I was the only person who went around wondering what it be like if everything flooded (with crystal clear 85F water).