Creation vs. Evolution

[Green_Manelishi]

sorry, Pug... while annecdotal evidence of prayer's success may be fun to read, the only scientific study ever conducted on the subject has determined

(big surprise here)

that prayer doesn't work.

It examined 1,800 patients undergoing heart-bypass surgery. On the eve of the operations, church groups began two weeks of praying for one set of patients. Each recipient had a praying contingent of about 70, none of whom knew the patient personally. The study found no differences in survival or complication rates compared with those who did not receive prayers. The only statistically significant blip appeared in a subgroup of patients who were prayed for and knew it. They experienced a higher rate of postsurgical heart arrhythmias (59 versus 52 percent of unaware subjects).

on a more somber note, i am very sorry about your friend. either way, he's in a far better place right now.

That "study" proves nothing except that the prayers weren't answered the way the prayers (or others) thought they should be. God does not always, nor is He obligated to, answer prayer the way WE want them to be answered. All things work together for the (eternal) good of those who love The Lord. We live in a fallen world and **** happens. Even the Apostle Paul prayed to be relieved of thorn in his flesh. He was not, yet his faith in God never wavered.

 

[Green_Manelishi]

snipping ...

we know that you can get mutation and natural selection which produces different genetic sequences that explains the differences between a german shepherd and pitbull, it is entirely plausible that over longer timeframes that evolution would produce larger differences in genetic sequences that would give us dogs and foxes from a common ancestor. all you're dealing with is two sequences with a larger delta between them, which is less probable to evolve, but which has a much longer time and more instances of organisms over which the change occured. the underlying mechanism remains the same, and it remains completely plausible, and it seems that its up to the detractors to prove that it could not have occured. and to restate what i said before, evolutionists cannot prove the theory correct by the nature of what scientific theories are, while anti-evolutionists can prove the theory incorrect.

But they remain "dogs" (canis). Your faith assumes that over time changes will occur leading to new orders or even classes: dinosaurs to birds, for example. So far there is no evidence supporting that belief. The fossil record does not support that theory, it is only believed to support that theory.

Even though it cannot be proven we are supposed to accept it as a fact? Yet we are told we need to "prove the existance of God"? Give me a break. Your's isn't science, it's faith masquerading as science.

 

[Uncle Pug]

Come on folks

See.... not to worry.

 

[Green_Manelishi]

Yeah, sort of like both Chimpanzee's and Humans are Hominidae? I guess we agree, it's pretty solid evidence.

We don't agree. Chimps are chimps, humans are humans

"Just bcause you say it, doesn't make it true." Yes, DNA, among other things, does prove something about evolution. DNA is our blueprint, if it changes, we change. The difference between species is represented by a small change in DNA. Or do you believe DNA to also be a figment of the imagination of scientists?

I think there have been studies done regarding the fallacy of changes to DNA and it being the driving force for macro-evolution. If it was, the fossil record should be littered with "ooops, that didn't quite work" and it's not. Perhaps that is why the great and dead SJG imagined punctuated equilibrium

Hey man, I tried listening for "the Lord" on more than one occasion. Even tried talking to "Him" a couple times. When I received no responses, it became obvious that I was talking to myself.

Perhaps you should be silent. More likely, you probably did not really want to hear Him, or at least not unless He was going to be a Santa Claus

My belief system is based on experimental evidence.

What experimental evidence' would that be? "Speciation" being assumed to lead to great leaps between orders and classes?

I think I get eaten by worms. I do not expect others to believe that and I do not find it irrational for others to believe in an afterlife, under some conditions.

I think not. Corpses are usually buried in a manner that prevents decay and the ground settling. What "conditions" do you not find irrational?

I haven't. I've asked you to open your mind up for a couple milliseconds and realize that your belief regarding how we came to be is flawed.

Open my mind? Only with discrimination; otherwise it will be filled with lies. You can't even prove your theory; you believe it happened. That's no different from mine except you claim yours is "science". ROFLMGAO.

I have no interest in discussing my relationship with my fiancee with you. Do not be so presumptuous that I have an interest in what you have to say on that matter.

You clearly have a problem with reading comprehension, but make sure that you comprehend this: I have told you privately, and now I am telling you publicly....my relationship with my fiancee is not a topic for discussion.

My reading comprehension is fine.

It's unrelated because it is unrelated. There is a separate study, called abiogenesis. Evolutionary theory knows that the parts were there and how they changed over time. Evolutionary theory says nothing about the creation of life. You are welcome to continue believing that a creator put the first spark into the goo. That is not irrational. What is irrational is ignoring ridiculous amounts of proof because a literal view on a 2000 year old book of stories contradicts it.

It's only "unrelated" because it presents an insurmountable obstacle. Very scientific. Ridiculous amounts of "prove"? You can't prove it and you know it, you just accept it on faith and expect me to do the same.

What exactly does Dawkins say? Forgive me if I do not trust your paraphrasing....

I don't care whether you trust me or not.

 

[SeanQ]

So far there is no evidence supporting that belief. The fossil record does not support that theory, it is only believed to support that theory.

 

[Uncle Pug]

Yum... chicken!

 

[SeanQ]

Have you ever seen a chicken with its skull attached to the neck from the rear? Or a chicken with a long, bony tail?

 

[Uncle Pug]

No matter... I'll bet it taste like chicken.

 

[JeffG]

No matter... I'll bet it taste like chicken.

Everything tastes like chicken. That must of been part of Gods great plan.

 

[Uncle Pug]

That must of been part of Gods great plan.

I think you're right!

I'm off to get some chicken... or something that tastes like chicken.