Creation vs. Evolution

[MikeFerrara]

It's interesting but we have all kinds salamanders, tadpoles and even walking fish today.

The next thing you know they'll find one of these things living off the coast of africa or something, like the coelacanth.

BTW, the coelacanth alone, would seem to be proof that failure to find something in the fossil record does NOT mean that it wasn't there.

New fossil fish...absolute proof that there have been some funny looking fish.

 

[Thalassamania]

These might interest those of you who are into coelacanths: Coelacanth. Unlocking Coelacanth Secrets , Mobile DNA part of evolution's toolbox and New Species of Coelacanth

 

[Midnight Star]

BTW, the coelacanth alone, would seem to be proof that failure to find something in the fossil record does NOT mean that it wasn't there.

Interestingly enough, not all of the living species where "fossilized". In order for something to be fossilized, the conditions must be perfect for species involved. Which, statistically speaking, just wasnt possible given the diversity of life and the narrow "conditional band" it takes to fossilize them - amny would fall on either side of that range.

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Mike.

 

[Thalassamania]

Who says there are no fossils? Try coelacanth fossils and Canadian coelacanth.

 

[H2Andy]

New fossil fish...absolute proof that there have been some funny looking fish.

you guys have been basically saying, "show us proof of evolution" and we do.

then you say, that's not enough. so we do some more proving.

then you say "that's not enough, it doesn't mean that"

so we show you how it means exactly that

so you say, no, not enough proof ....


see a trend here?

on the other hand, you guys have yet to show A SHRED of proof that God exists and created the world, but are quite happy believing that WITH A LOT LESS PROFF that exists to show evolution is real and it works....

bugger that

proof of evolution:

fossil record
DNA testing
strata layering
transitional fossils
human development
observable evolution in viruses (such as HIV)
observable evolution in species (dogs to wolves)
and on and on....

proof that God exists:

the Bible says so

and yet, you happily accept that notion with no evidence what so ever, but of evolution, you continue to require more and more evidence the more and more evidence you are provided...

odd...

 

[Thalassamania]

As Sam Harris observed:

If I were to tell a fundamentalist, of any religion, that their spouse was unfaithful or that eating frozen yogurt would make them invisible, they’d require evidence before believing either premise. But they’re perfectly happy to accept the unsupported idea that the book they keep by bed was written (or directed to be written) by an invisible deity who will punish, with fire for eternity, anyone who fails to accept its every incredible claim about the universe. Claims, might I note, that often run counter to both common sense and observed evidence.

 

[Kim]

Andy....

I think it's ev**** that seems to stick somewhere.

eve....
evolution.....
evidence.....
evaluate.....

There's a pattern there somewhere..

 

[Fuzzmutton]

An excerpt from Wickipedia on the subject of science:

"Scientists never claim absolute knowledge. Unlike a mathematical proof, a proven scientific theory is always open to falsification, if new evidence is presented. Even the most basic and fundamental theories may turn out to be imperfect if new observations are inconsistent with them. Critical to this process is making every relevant aspect of research publicly available, which permits peer review of published results, and also allows ongoing review and repeating of experiments and observations by multiple researchers operating independently of one another. Only by fulfilling these expectations can it be determined how reliable the experimental results are for potential use by others.

Isaac Newton's Newtonian law of gravitation is a famous example of an established law that was later found not to be universal - it does not hold in experiments involving motion at speeds close to the speed of light or in close proximity of strong gravitational fields. Outside these conditions, Newton's Laws remain an excellent model of motion and gravity. Since general relativity accounts for all the same phenomena that Newton's Laws do and more, general relativity is now regarded as a better theory."

Has science ever been found to be wrong about something? Yes, it has, many times. If science had all the answers the scientists would all be in agreement with one another in one united group instead of bickering over their pet theories like they do.

Scientists offers no "proof", they offer theories and, given their track records, if I and others choose to put our faith elsewhere...oh, well.

 

[sandjeep]

Not that I'm knocking science as a whole, but ....

http://www.archaeology.org/0101/newsbriefs/godshands.html

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article4174.html



and zombies to boot!

http://www.archaeology.org/online/interviews/zombies/index.html

When I read items like above, then what am I to think? Plenty more where these came from.

observable evolution in viruses (such as HIV)-------STILL a virus
observable evolution in species (dogs to wolves)-----STILL a K9
and on and on....

Of the 10 known examples of Archaeopteryx, one is missing, why is that?

 

[H2Andy]

and zombies to boot!

http://www.archaeology.org/online/interviews/zombies/index.html

did you happen to note that was an April's Fools edition? No, probably not...

as to the other two, they were hoaxes uncovered by SCIENTISTS. hoaxes will inevitably be discovered because they don't fit in with the context of the rest of what we know...

you keep saying "some people play hoaxes using science"

and i keep saying "and then science unoveres the hoaxes and moves on"

this is like the FIFTH time you've made this argument.

(and it would be akin to me using people like Jim Jones and David Koresh to discredit religion. there are idiots in all fields, but the true believers disavow them)

observable evolution in viruses (such as HIV)-------STILL a virus

a whole new virus that didn't exist before, totally different from any other virus

where did it come from? that's evolution at work.

observable evolution in species (dogs to wolves)-----STILL a K9
and on and on....

ah... dogs are a subspecies of wolves, just like evolution said would happen if you start breeding a subset of a species for specialized results. that's evolution at work.

Of the 10 known examples of Archaeopteryx, one is missing, why is that?

ok, i must admit i don't know. why is that?