Creation vs. Evolution

[mase]

Quote:
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1:7"
That makes absolutely no sense. Why should you fear the Lord? Isn't he, she, it or whatever an understanding, compassionate, benevolent entity?

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

Quote:
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1:7"
That makes absolutely no sense. Why should you fear the Lord? Isn't he, she, it or whatever an understanding, compassionate, benevolent entity?

New or Old Testament?

 

[rookers]

god, rev 1.0 (old testament) was a nasty bloke, jealous, tempermental, arbitrary
god, rev 2.0 (new testament) is nicer except until you get to the end

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

god, rev 2.0 (new testament) is nicer except until you get to the end

True, true...

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

i got tired of talking to myself and calling it prayer. just decided to call it what it was.

In some religous circles, this would be considered speaking with satan (or, santa... get them mixed up sometimes with the spelling)

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

i wouldn't know if i was right or wrong either way. no way to check

There is a moral compass in all of us. Right and wrong are at the core of all people. Some just don't recognize it as easily.

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

Simply put, you have faith that there is no God. Your faith is no more or less evidenced than someone who has a faith contrary to yours. As I pointed out, we for some reason have denigrated faith into being something that is "bad". This shows nothing but our own arrogance.

Everything is taken on faith until it is proven, or we choose not to accept it on faith. And, yes there are a vocal minority who point to faith as a "bad" thing

 

[MikeFerrara]

What about religious beliefs that are different from yours? You state they will not get to "The Father". Why do you suppose that is?

Because the Bible says so.

Are you quoting from the original biblical text, Gideon, King James or some other version of the Bible?

You pick. Which Bible have you seen that doesn't say that?

Some versions state in Genesis:

"And god so breathed life into Adam and he received his soul."

Some say this passage was designed for comfort during that time when so many births were still born. Some say this passage is proof that baby is soul-less until the first breath is taken. You can see where this would lead into the abortion issue.

In the newest versions of the bible, this passage has been changed

The King James Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The new King James genesis 2:7 reads "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."

Looks pretty close to me.

I've never heard the arguement you mention about a baby being "soul-less" before its first breath. Who uses that arguement? I don't see how any one could get that from Genesis 2:7.

If one wants to put together a good argument in favor of abortion, it's probably best for their argument that they leave the Bible out of it all together. In a secular society it's easy enough. Whether or not the unborn child has a soul isn't at issue. Since our secular society largely discounts the existance of God (any god) the word "soul" probably has no place in legal language. The issue is whether or not that life (and I think that science says it is life) has legal precedence over the mothers wishes.

To argue that a women has the right to do it in our "democratic" secular society is one thing and they have won the argument. Hence, it is the law of tha land.

To argue that abortion is something that the God of the Bible would approve of is just plain silly. Of course, abortion is never mentioned in the Bible but it's simple enough to see that, in a Biblical context, life begins at conception and we don't need Genisis 2:7 (which you quoted) to see it. It's also pretty straight forward to see how this can't be made to look like anything but murder in a Biblical context. The Biblical context obviously isn't relevant to law.

 

[MikeFerrara]

Were you born and raised Christian? Or were you exposed equally to all major religions and allowed to make your own choice? I am sure there are plenty of Muslim people who believe equally that their faith is the only way to get to heaven. I am equally sure that MOST of them were born and raised Muslim.

The problem with your analogy is that if we add a Muslim to it, he would be pointing to the sky at a falling bank vault coming down right next to your piano. I would have to quickly chose between getting out of the way of vault or the piano (or the 10 other invisible falling objects representing other religions) all based on the advise of someone who can only see one of the invisble objects.

No problem. Just stay where you are and ignor both of us?

 

[rookers]

I've never heard the arguement you mention about a baby being "soul-less" before its first breath.

Many jewish people believe this.