Creation vs. Evolution

[Soggy]

Reading with a closed mind could lead you to this conclusion. Perhaps you would like to read the section about sunsets, and realize it isn't sunsets at all.

Closed mind? What are you talking about? Why is it that because I disagree, I have a closed mind?

A sunset is what it is. Weather patterns coinciding with reflection and refraction of sunlight caused by the rotation of the earth. I don't understand how that is proof of a higher being.

 

[H2Andy]

I believe the opposite is true. The children had to be taught to hate and go against basic humanity/morality

what i mean is that children are a blank slate.

they can be taught anything is good, or anything is bad. they don't know any different.

and most people will never question what they are taught, particulalry if it benefits them in life

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

Closed mind? What are you talking about? Why is it that because I disagree, I have a closed mind?

A sunset is what it is. Weather patterns coinciding with reflection and refraction of sunlight caused by the rotation of the earth. I don't understand how that is proof of a higher being.

Because you are referring to what I wrote as if the sunset was the focus of what I wrote... It was not.

 

[MikeFerrara]

If I move out of the way of the piano, I get hit by the vault. Since I can't see either, the only way I am going to find out if they are real, is when they hit me.

Step back for a minute and think of a person who has been exposed to neither Christianity or Islam and is simultaneously stopped by a priest and a cleric both offering the only true path to salvation. One or both have to be wrong, as neither allows that another religion could offer salvation.

It would be different if they both said live a good life and treat others with kindness and respect and you will get into heaven regardless of which particular religion you follow. Neither encourages you to question them or offers to educate you objectively about other religions. They both claim to be the one an only way to heaven.

Many questions have only one right answer. That doesn't mean that when you ask the question you will only be given the right answer. I think that you are absolutely correct. One or both are, in fact, wrong.

In the Christian faith, living a "good life" is a reult not a cause (read some of my previous posts and the scriptures that I reference). If I'm going to try to answer your questions or explain, I feel I need to point that out. I don't know that I'm qualified to instruct you on the Christian faith, although I will try, but I know that I'm not qualified to instruct you on any other. I absolutely do encourage you to check up on every single thing that I say. If I speak to you on the subject, I am expressing a point of view or simply passing on information (as in explanations of Biblical text). There is no order or cammand implied and you can do as you please.

And you still haven't answered my question. Were you born and raised Christian?

Sorry. I was sort of raised Catholic but it never took and I sure didn't understand. Many years after I left the church (if you could ever say that I was there in the first place), I began to miss God. I went looking and ended up where I am.

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

what i mean is that children are a blank slate.

they can be taught anything is good, or anything is bad. they don't know any different.

and most people will never question what they are taught, particulalry if it benefits them in life

And, I disagree. I believe that children are not a blank slate. I believe they are born with certain things stored in the 90% of the brain that is not supposedly used. I believe they can be taught to go against the basic moral compass, and can be brainwashed into just about anything. Can I prove it? No, science has not come to that level yet. Do I take it on faith? Yes, I do.

 

[Soggy]

Because you are referring to what I wrote as if the sunset was the focus of what I wrote... It was not.

What I got out of your post is roughly, because coincidental things happen, there must be a god. What did I miss?

 

[rookers]

In the Christian faith, living a "good life" is a reult not a cause (read some of my previous posts and the scriptures that I reference).

There is considerable argument about this among the various christian branches. There are very few blanket theological statements that can be made about the beliefs of christians. Of course the convenient solution to this is to deny that anyone that does not subscribe pretty closely to a particular theological bent is not a christian. This is, of course, done fairly often, especially among the more ardent, narrow offspring found here in da' united stakes of a miracle.

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

And, I disagree. I believe that children are not a blank slate. I believe they are born with certain things stored in the 90% of the brain that is not supposedly used. I believe they can be taught to go against the basic moral compass, and can be brainwashed into just about anything. Can I prove it? No, science has not come to that level yet. Do I take it on faith? Yes, I do.

What I got out of your post is roughly, because coincidental things happen, there must be a god. What did I miss?

Did you make a mistake here in your quoting? Are you still on the sunset post, or have you moved to this one now?

 

[Soggy]

Did you make a mistake here in your quoting? Are you still on the sunset post, or have you moved to this one now?

I was referring to the sunset post. I quoted the wrong text.

 

[MikeFerrara]

One doesn't need fear to do the right thing. When I dive, I respect the ocean. If I feared it, I wouldn't be able to dive. I understand it's power and respect it. If I feared it, panic would be right around the corner.

ok, lets stick to the diving aspect. Your profile says that you have between 100 and 200 dives? Remember what Yoda said to Luke when he said he wasn't afraid? He said, "You will be". LOL well you will be. If you aren't afraid of what can happen to you in the ocean if you screw up, then you don't get it. You can love the ocean, respect it and fear it and that will not cause panic. What causes panic is feeling out of control...not being able to cope with the situation that you are in.

Lets go back to what I printed for you. The word "fear" is used as a single word expression of fear of consequences, love, respect and high esteem.

Go rob a bank and stand out on the street holding a gun and then tell me that you aren't afraid of the police. You should be because when he gets there, even though he is just and wishes to serve the public he is going to shoot you.

The ocean is beautiful but if you refuse to develop sound dive skills and practices, I'd advise you to be afraid.

God is loving and just but if you insist on defying him, my advice would be to be afraid...precisely because he is just.