Creation vs. Evolution

[Bryan]

the difference is that the bp/wings is aphysical, tangible thing, and faith is all in your head.

Hi H2Andy,

I think you're right there... the Bible defines faith similarly in this verse:

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1

 

[sandjeep]

I do not support any form of Fanatical Organized Religion. What do I mean by Fanatical Organized Religion? Simple, Those who think that just because you do not follow their beliefs you're condemmed to eternal damnation, and feel it is their duty to remind you all the time, and even worse, try to save you.

You guys have some real funny ideas about Christians that’s for sure. No I'm not just pointing you out coach_izzy, but c'mon this is just too hilarious.

You've just lumped me and other Christians into this box you created in your own mind. Oh, no!! The mean Christians are,,,are,,talking to me. Well, why should'nt we talk to people? Whose trying to be the thought police here?

Please let me correct a misunderstanding that some may have. I can NOT save you, nor can any other Christian save you. Only Jesus can forgive your sins and only through Him can you have everlasting life. Make sure you completely understand that no one, but no one gets to the Father except through Jesus Christ.

I suppose I could go about my life and live in a Christian bubble. Only go to Christian owned stores, only have other Christians as friends, only dive with fellow Christians. ect I could do that, especially here in South Carolina, BUT that’s not what Jesus said to do.

Do I see it as a duty? No, not at all. If you don't want to hear what I have to say, I understand. Many people don't and sometimes people get angry. Downright spitting mad and mad enough to fight.

Some of you are displaying those signs at times in your posts Why? Are my words harming you? Did I say something that offended you personally? Did I call your dog the ugliest mutt on the planet? What? What did I say that was so harmful?

Shoot, one poster stated he would set his dogs on people who only wanted to talk about God. Another made the suggestion that Christians were out to burn non-believers at the stake and he was actually serious!!

We only do that on wed. nights btw, (that’s a joke!)

You know, that’s another thing that is just amazing to me. Many of you treat ToE like its a religion and that’s what it has become. The religious dogma of secular America. I know that if I bring up ID and state that it should be mandatory that it be taught in science class, some of you will just go ballistic.

The truth is no one is allowed to challenge ToE, are they? Oh, maybe the methodology, but not the fact. Evolution explains all and it will be taught in science class period. Whose the fanatical organization again?

Its getting late, still need to research a very old HF radio.

To recap,

Atheism is a non-sense term because no man can know all and see all. Atheism is KNOWING that God does not exist, operational or not.

All morals come from God. I guess I could set my own standards, but I would just break them and its not really a problem for me.

Mankind is not morally blind as knowledge of God is inborn in all of us. Which is why some of you get angry, as you don't like to be reminded of it.

No man can forgive for breaking God's laws, only Jesus can do that.

I will continue to talk and share my faith with all.

I think MikeF is a gifted writer. I agree with everything he has said so far.

The Bible has more wisdom written in it than any other book ever.

I have not threatened anyone with fire and brimstone.

There's some funny ideas going around about Christians that’s for sure.

 

[Bryan]

I posted this link in another thread about tank explosions, and thought I'd post it here--for its humor value--as it is related to origins, etc.

In homage to Stephen Hawking, let's title this, "A Brief History of Time"

BTW, since there is Cosmic microwave evidence to support the theory of the Big Bang, I tend to embrace this model, but do not think it has to be at odds with a Creator.

 

[sandjeep]

Oh, last thing. This Christian has been known to drink a beer and watch Auburn football games, ok I confess. Clemson too.

 

[scubafool]

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, atheism is the lack of faith that God exists.

At one point, I had that faith, but that has not stood up to reality and logical thought. I won't go into why, as others here have expressed it so much better than I ever could.

Atheism is a non-sense term because no man can know all and see all. Atheism is KNOWING that God does not exist, operational or not.

Those who reject that faith could just as well call your faith nonsense, and, IMO, have more of a leg to stand on than you do.

 

[Bryan]

Have you ever met two people who believed exactly the same things, who never disagreed?

Now either everyone can't be right.........or there's more than one right answer.

Does absolute truth exist? A classic question.

Whatever your answer, it becomes one of the assumptions comprising your worldview.

It is hard to step outside of one's worldview when considering new ideas.

 

[rookers]

"You guys have some real funny ideas about Christians that’s for sure."

Christians come in a great variety of stripes. Schism is a dominant theme throughout christian history. I would assume nothing about any self-identifying christian except they hold a faith which has a judeo/monotheistic basis and involves some guy named jesus. In some parts of the world people are externally identified as christians who merely were born into a historically christian family. I think the notions held by many about christians are based on the loud, sometimes loutish, pronunciations of certain self appointed representatives, falwell, robertson et. al.

"Which is why some of you get angry, as you don't like to be reminded of it."
Bit of a baseless assumption.

"I have not threatened anyone with fire and brimstone."
Certain christian strains regularly use threats based on the 'lake of fire' notion found in the revelations of saint john the insane. You personally don't need to promulgate such threats. Whatever christian schism you happen to hang with may or may not. If it does, you are a proxy or shill for the extant threat. It is a rather common theme in the derivatives of the rather severe calvinists.

 

[The Chairman]

Nope, that's why it is a semiotics issue with me.

Well then, I am glad you have faith in semiotics.

 

[H2Andy]

does Semiotics make regulators?

never heard of them...

faith and hope are not the same thing

faith is the irrational belief in something, without proof

hope is the possibility that something may happen despite the likelihood that it may not. hope can be measured as justified or unjustified depending on how likely to happen the hoped-for event is

i don't have faith that i will still be alive tomorrow

i hope that i will be, and i plan accordingly. in this case, my hope is justified, since my changes of waking up tomorrow are pretty good.

 

[MikeFerrara]

I find the idea of a god who sees no difference in snitching a piece of gum and killing 6,000,000 people to simply not be credible. I feel a little sorry for people who share such a poor standard.

You think it's a poor standard because you're looking at the value of the gum but the Bible says that things born of the flesh are of the flesh and things born of the spirit are of the spirit. God looks at things of the spirit. Until one is reborn in the Spirit of God, there isn't anything there...it's dead like dry bones. As a heap of dead dry bones, it doesn't matter what we do...good bad or indifferent...no matter whether we take a pack of gum or give a pack of gum, steal a fortune or give a fortune. A dead heap of dried bones is not a candidate for eternal life with God unless something happens to bring it to life.

I wanted to revisit this quickly because of all the people who seem to think the God of the Bible is cruel or unjust. In regards to "the standard", I left off with one being born. Now what?

We refer God as our Father in Heaven. Why? Because he is our father.

When my son was born he didn't know anything and he couldn't do anything. I had to completely sustain him. He was given his food, clothes, a room in my house and many other things. Did he earn those things? Certainly not. I provided for him because he was my child and I loved him. He didn't even have a hand in his own birth did he? I did that too. Why? Just because I wanted a child to love and share with. Certainly not because I wanted a pet or a possession to push around.

As he grew and developed he was taught and he had rules. What happened when he broke those rules? Of course it depended on what he did wrong but I never exhiled him from his room in my house nor did I ever stop providing the other things that he needed. He was still my child.

Eventually, I called on him to do some things like cut the grass. Did I need him to cut the grass? No. I could cut it myself or even call on someone else to cut it. He was called on to cut the grass for the benefit of his learning and development. The fact is that he was probably going to run the mower without oil or try to cut the grass without picking up the fallen sticks first and he was going to ruin blades and belts. Was he going to replace those blades and belts? No, he had no means of his own. I was going to do that for him too. And...you guesssed it...he still got all his meals and was allowed to keep his room in my house.

I don't think this seems like an unfair standard, although, we can't apply any of it before he is born. He must first be born and become my child.

Once we are reborn in the Spirit and become a child of God, it's a lot like this between our Father in Heaven and us.