Creation vs. Evolution

[photohikedive]

an elixir of the mind my friend

 

[wreckchick]

hmmm, not bad, coming from someone who is proud to have been photographed making out with fish

That fish was darn sexy

You just jealous you didn't get to take the picture or that I was kissing the fish instead of.... ah, nevermind.

R

 

[neil]

infinity keeps me up at night

Schrodinger's cat kept me up last night.

 

[adurso]

This thread keeps me up at night...

 

[H2Andy]

i can't say what keeps me up at night

but ... ah ... it's like ... a lot of fun?



Mmm, I said come on over baby
we got chicken in the barn-uh
Whose barn, what barn, my barn
Come on over baby
We got the bull by the horn-ah
Yeah, we ain't fakin'
A-whole lotta shakin' goin' on

 

[Rick Murchison]

The lack of time prior to the big bang is consistent with Einstein's theory of relativity. In its simplest form, when gravity is great enough that the escape velocity exceeds the speed of light, time halts. This is a "black hole." Nothing that we can even imagine can happen in there because there is no time, and all things that "happen" have beginning and ending points that require the passage of time. And since time can't pass with the mass of the universe all in one massive knot, there's no way to have a big bang...
Or, put another way, the acceptance of the big bang is a matter of faith, ultimately...
as are all postulations of things "happening" once that critical time stopping mass is reached.

Now, for a little fun with relativity... if I could develop an engine big enough that it could drive my space ship with a thrust-to-mass ratio of 1 indefinitely, not counting the couple of trips around earth needed to break orbit, how much time would pass in my ship on a trip to Betelgeuse (approx 427 light years from here)? If I started my deceleration so as to arrive there at zero speed, and then made the round trip back to Earth, about how much older would I be than when I left? Approximately what year would it be when I got back?
Suppose I wanted to go to Rigel instead (about 800 light years away)...
Rick

 

[H2Andy]

The lack of time prior to the big bang is consistent with Einstein's theory of relativity.

sort of... time is a by-product of matter and how it affects gravity

in other words, time is the "fold" in an otherwise perfect (timeless) matterless universe (i.e. pure energy). this is really a construct. it doesn't exist after the Big Bang, even within a black hole (what happened before the Big Bang is not knowable)

the closer you are to "pure energy" (i.e. the speed of light) the closer you are to timelesness. but you can never reach pure enrgey (i.e. the speed of light) and thus you can never escape time.

you can never have "no time" because you can never have "no matter"

interesting stuff, though... certainly food for thought

no matter how fast you travel away and back again as close to the speed of light as you can, "some" time will have transpired

the faster you go, the slower time goes

but still, you can't escape time

 

[wreckchick]

Well, what if you have pure energy?

LAMONT!!!

R

 

[H2Andy]

i dunno think there's such a thing, and Stephen Hawkins agrees with me.

"some" particle is always involved. for example, photons in light.

(oh, ok... i agree with him)



in fact, the cutting edge of science is looking for the particles that transmit gravity (theoretically called "gravitons")

you can get to 99.999% energy, but not 100%

(at least that's how i understand it. i could be wrong. not an expert, etc. etc.)

 

[Rick Murchison]

you can never have "no time" because you can never have "no matter"

Time slows with gravity as well as speed. On the "matter" side of things, concentrate enough mass (matter) for enough gravity and you stop time (nothing can escape a black hole 'cause nothing can happen in there). On the speed side, do you suppose the fact that a photon doesn't lose any energy over distance is because for the photon there is no time???
Hmmm....
Interesting contemplations.
Rick