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Sorry Marvel but in all three of your references combined there are not two contemporaneous crossreferences to Jesus.Thal, not even the radical Jesus Seminar disputes the historical Jesus. Here are links to a couple of articles that discuss the extra-Biblical references to Jesus:
Mark Eastman Article.
Glenn Miller Article
J P Holding Article
Heck, we have as many, if not more, contemporary references to Jesus as we do to Alexander the Great. But, I am betting that you don't dispute Alexander's existence do you?
As far as Alexander is concerned, many daily logs from his army survive. That is more than the two required references.
I take umbrage at your use of the word "ignorant" and I demand a retraction. You have placed nothing in evidence that suggests that I am ignorant concerning any of the issues that we are addressing. There is also nothing in evidence I have made any attempt to credit or discredit Josephus. You, on the other hand, are a completely different story. When is Jesus alleged to have lived? When did Josephus and Tacitus write? What is it that you do not understand concerning the word "contemporaneous?" Are you, perhaps, ignorant of its definition?... You have one in Josephus. Despite your ignorant attempts to discredit him. You have thousands of early church documents that reference him. The Bible has several authors who mention him. The Quran mentions him. You have 10 disciples that went to agonizing deaths who refused to recant their faith. No one who has studied the history of Christ objectively agrees with you. You are so many deviations outside the bell curve on this one its laughable.
Amazing, you contradict yourself in the same post. So which is it. Are there no references or are did Tacitus mention him? The fact is you continue to dismiss the fact of the gospels. These are a written account of the life of Jesus. Furthermore, you have external references, which you yourself at least acknowledge the one. You also have credible historians who agree Josephus mentions Jesus once in his writings.
. and You discount the writers in the gospel who went to their deaths believing in this mythical Jesus. Yet, you can believe, without question, in a biped monkey from a few skull fragments found in a mixed basin of bones.
Actually there is not a single reputable historian who will not tell you that Jesus does not pass the standard test. I'm truly amazed that none of you have come up with the cop-out that my Jesuit friends usually do at this point in the discussion, they don't argue my facts, they know better than to try. You've tried to argue my facts time and time again and you've always come up with the short end of the stick. They just say, "it's a mystery put there by God to test your faith." Man, the Jesuits have it way, way, way over you guys.If you're discussing the existence of Jesus, most of the world is in my camp. You might find a few kooks who don't look at the totality of the evidence who disagree with it. As far as my theological views go, I guess they would be considered somewhat conservative. But yes, I've discussed them with many people, theologians, pastors etc. Do you have a particular viewpoint in mind when you state this or are you making a general statement?
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