Creation vs. Evolution

[gary-ramey]

This just in....The earth is flat....not round

...and I thought we killed Galileo. Oops .. saved by the Mathemetician from Florence I see.

 

[Soggy]

I think evolution leaves huge gaps in understanding origins of life and behavior. Take for instance the Plover and the Crocodile and their symbiotic relationship. You can extend this to the ocean and the many symbiotic relationships that exist there. Scientists are fond of quoting things like the articulated jaw structure of the cynodonts but then stumble when confronted with things observed or known in the world that don't support evolution. Take DNA for example. Genetically programmed to do what it was designed to do. You and I type on a computer program with less complexity than a single strand of DNA yet neither of us would even ponder that the computer program was generated randomly.

What are you talking about? What are the gaps you speak of? What about DNA? What have scientists stumbled upon that doesn't support evolution? You are making claims without citations.

 

[gary-ramey]

Huh? You mean the brontosaurus that attempted to recreate (for a museum) using bones from another closely related dinosaur? I don't recall anything in that story about that being concealed from the scientific community.

Brontosaurus was a fabrication in 1930s by a scientist who wanted headlines. It stayed in children's books and educational institutions for 50 years before it was removed. Interestingly enough, the science community turned a blind eye to it because it was an instrument to peek children's curiosity into the world of dinosaurs.
Javaman was a complete fabrication by Leakey. He took the skull of a giant gibbon and put it on the skeleton of a man.

 

[MikeFerrara]

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Originally Posted by Laustimus
they were raised this way from birth.

Interestingly, Mike was not, as I understand it. He seems to be an anomaly to me.

A large percentage, of christians I know or have met, came to it later in life. I think it actually very common.

I did have some contact with religion as a kid but not much. My parents weren't very religious and I never really figured out what it was all about. From there, I pretty much ignored the whole topic until I was in my 40's and then things got interesting.

 

[Soggy]

Brontosaurus was a fabrication in 1930s by a scientist who wanted headlines. It stayed in children's books and educational institutions for 50 years before it was removed. Interestingly enough, the science community turned a blind eye to it because it was an instrument to peek children's curiosity into the world of dinosaurs.

Not exactly. It wasn't a fabrication, it was a mistake, not a The "real" animal is called Apatosaurus. Brontosaurus was a combination of two incomplete skeletons - it was later discovered that they were different species. It is unfortunate that that misinformation stayed in the textbooks for so long, though.

Javaman was a complete fabrication by Leakey. He took the skull of a giant gibbon and put it on the skeleton of a man.

Hardly...
Creationist Arguments: Java Man

Yes, there are unscrupulous scientists, but thankfully, everything is peer reviewed and that information is rapidly corrected. That's the whole point. It's reviewed and verified and matches observable phenomenon.

 

[gary-ramey]

What are you talking about? What are the gaps you speak of? What about DNA? What have scientists stumbled upon that doesn't support evolution? You are making claims without citations.

Gaps in the fossil record. Lack of transitional forms. DNA - is a complicated genetic program. IE therefore had a programmer?

What have scientists stumbled upon that doesn't support evolution?

A petrified tree standing upright through millions of years of strata. Volcanic activity on the moons of Jupiter. Symbiotic relationships like the Plover and the Nile Croc. The random formation of a single protein molecule and the mathematical odds of that occuring in nature are astronomical.

 

[gary-ramey]

but thankfully, everything is peer reviewed and that information is rapidly corrected.

Brontosaurus notwithstanding

 

[Soggy]

Gaps in the fossil record. Lack of transitional forms.

There is no lack of transitional forms.

CC200: Transitional fossils

DNA - is a complicated genetic program.

Umm, so?

A petrified tree standing upright through millions of years of strata. Volcanic activity on the moons of Jupiter. Symbiotic relationships like the Plover and the Nile Croc.

What about them? Volcanic activity on the moons of Jupiter disproves evolution?! Pass the dooby, please.

The random formation of a single protein molecule and the mathematical odds of that occuring in nature are astronomical.

Except evolution isn't random. It is the opposite of random. Once again, your misunderstanding of (or more accurately, your choice to ignore) the very basics of the theory cause you to make blatantly ignorant statements.

 

[MikeFerrara]

This just in....The earth is flat....not round


Those damn scientists and their scientific BS trying to convince us all that the world is round and other nonsense of the like....lmao



Those creationists from ages ago were right on everything, especially about the flat earth

We covered the "flat earth thing earlier in the thread too.

It seems the idea that people of the midle ages or the early church thought the earth was flat is a myth that became popular in the 19th century.

 

[Soggy]

Brontosaurus notwithstanding

Please elaborate. It has been corrected. People make mistakes and it takes years of research to sometimes find those mistakes. Please tell me that you have more than "some scientist made a mistake 100 years ago about the classification of a species" to base your claim that science cannot be trusted.