Creation vs. Evolution

[H2Andy]

I do see your point but I don't completely agree.

oh, ok

From my limited understanding I think it woulde be un-Biblical to believe that you could have a complete understanding without even believeing. Do you see my point?

yes, i think so

but i was talking about believers (christians) who were struggling with the issues

there are christians who disagree with you and say that there is an absolute understanding of certain issues. that's what they are betting their inmortal souls on, to put it that way

i'm not telling you anything i've come up with. i wish i was that smart

 

[MikeFerrara]

As Mark Twain observed, "Heaven for climate, hell for company."

LOL, I doubt I would have agreed with Mark Twain on matters of theology but he is one of my favorite authors, especially his short stories and some of the stuff he did as a journalist.

So, this criminal gets killed and the next thing he knows, he is hanging out on a cloud surounded by people drssed in white singing and playing harps. He tries to get into the harp and into singing hyms but the more he tries the worse and more boring it all gets. Finally he asks, couldn't I just get out of this heaven thing and just go to Hell with all my buddies. The answer is "Who ever said that you were in heaven?"

 

[Thalassamania]

I do see your point but I don't completely agree.

I do believe in Biblical truth though I don't claim to completely understand every truth of scripture or the mind of God. From my limited understanding I think it woulde be un-Biblical to believe that you could have a complete understanding without even believeing. Do you see my point?

Langage is language, words are words, one can have complete understanding of a document without a requirement that one agree with it or believe in it. I've had a complete enough understanding of the Bible, Mien Kamph and Das Kapital, to do well on university exams covering them, yet I hold no real truck with any of them. To say that you don't undersand because the the Bible says that you can't unless you believe is a bit strange.

----------------------------------------------

So this guy dies and goes to heaven. St. Peter sets him up for an orientation tour and he is walking around with his guide when he sees this guy sitting on a curb wearing a black dive suit, a set of doubles with Halcyon BP/W a mask on his face and a long hose around his neck and an Apex regulator in his mouth. The guys says to the guide, “what’s with him?” The guide puts his index finger to his lips and says, “Hush, that’s God, he just thinks he’s DIR.”

 

[MikeFerrara]

"Unequally yoked"...what a bunch of claptrap. It is a meaningless phrase. It's bigoted drivel no better than segregation.

It's not meaningless. If she takes a Biblical view of marriage or any of the individual aspects of marriage, like finances, raising children or whatever, and you don't, it could be trouble.

 

[Soggy]

It's not meaningless. If she takes a Biblical view of marriage or any of the individual aspects of marriage, like finances, raising children or whatever, and you don't, it could be trouble.

I'll let you know how it works out.

 

[AevnsGrandpa]

Wow this thread is still going! 45,000+ reads, 292 pages!

Have we determined that God created yet or are we just a cosmic accident?

For those interested there is some good research information concerning Biblical creationism at

http://www.icr.org

Jeff

 

[MikeFerrara]

Langage is language, words are words, one can have complete understanding of a document without a requirement that one agree with it or believe in it. I've had a complete enough understanding of the Bible, Mien Kamph and Das Kapital, to do well on university exams covering them, yet I hold no real truck with any of them. To say that you don't undersand because the the Bible says that you can't unless you believe is a bit strange.

I'll buy "strange" but not secessarily unusual. I remember sitting in a lit class where some prof would try to tell me that there were all these implied meanings in some poem that, to me, was nothing more than a bunch of nonsensical phrases thrown together...or, so much of what they call art in the art museum. Some people call it art and get something out of it but I think it looks like someone had an accident and spilled their paint.


I suppose it's a simple matter of mechanics to analyze the literal meaning of any text. It's a whole different matter to understand the spritual implications without a spiritual perspective.

 

[Soggy]

Wow this thread is still going! 45,000+
For those interested there is some good research information concerning Biblical creationism at

http://www.icr.org

Jeff

"Good" should definitely be in quotes. Here was the first article I found, which shows a fundamental misunderstanding of evolutionary theory and makes statements like "The hypothetical ape-like ancestor does not exist, and there is no evidence that it ever did." without justifying it or providing research to back that statement up. This was written by Dr. John Morris, PhD. I had trouble finding what his PhD was in.....it's engineering.

If Apes Evolved into Humans, Why Do We Still Have Apes?

So, if by a "good" site you mean one that makes false statements that about a theory without subtantiating them, then I guess it is "good" at that.

 

[Soggy]

Here's another "gem" of rational thought:
Dinosaurmania

Exactly how big was Noah's ark supposed to be? And how did he manage to get a couple T-Rexes and Brontisauri on board?

 

[H2Andy]

oh, i've heard that story line many times before:

the dinosaurs lived but a few thousand years ago, and they died because they couldn't get into Noah's Ark during the flood

of course, it doesn't explain why the aquatic dinos died too... but ... hey...

it's a start

also, if Noah's Ark account is true, humans underwent a severe population bottleneck less than 6,000 years ago ... which is totally impossible based on our DNA

not to mention fitting every frigging animal alive today in the Ark... oy vey!!! how large was that thing????

not to mention every other animal species on the planet ALSO would have gone through a severe genetic bottlenck ... less than 6,000 years go. again, this is impossible, based on DNA studies