Covid testing in Cozumel

[Guitarcrazy]

I have to disagree with you there. How many people are getting Polio after vaccination? There is some evidence that shows you 'may' be able to be a carrier for the virus, but that is a lot different from 'getting the disease'. Do you worry about getting measles, mumps and rubella? I don't.

 

[tridacna]

I have to disagree with you there. How many people are getting Polio after vaccination? There is some evidence that shows you 'may' be able to be a carrier for the virus, but that is a lot different from 'getting the disease'. Do you worry about getting measles, mumps and rubella? I don't.

You misunderstand how vaccines work.

“An individual who's been vaccinated still has the ability to contract coronavirus, although they're more likely to be asymptomatic. ” These efficacy rates for both vaccines means there's a “94% not getting seriously ill,” said Dr. William Schaffner, a CDC advisor and infectious disease specialist. Jan 26, 2021”

 

[mediumone]

Research it.
tridacna is correct.

 

[uncfnp]

You misunderstand how vaccines work.

“An individual who's been vaccinated still has the ability to contract coronavirus, although they're more likely to be asymptomatic. ” These efficacy rates for both vaccines means there's a “94% not getting seriously ill,” said Dr. William Schaffner, a CDC advisor and infectious disease specialist. Jan 26, 2021”

I am not sure I understand and wonder if the quote was out of context.

Both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were 94 to 95 percent effective in preventing symptomatic illness. The efficiency of asymptomatic infection/transmission was not addressed. It was not part of their clinical trials.

• Based on evidence from clinical trials, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 95% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 illness in people without evidence of previous infection.

 

[ReefHound]

Actually, Dr Rich provided a link to some preliminary data from monkeys that indiciates the vaccines are likely to prevent becoming infected to some degree and that asymptomatic carriers have lower viral loads and may not be nearly as contagious. It studied two areas, the deep area like in the lungs and the surface area like in the nasal passages. The vaccines resulted in much higher antibodies in the deep tissues which leads to doubt about it's protection in the surface areas. That's why you don't get sick but why it is likely that you could be infected and contagious.

 

[uncfnp]

Actually, Dr Rich provided a link to some preliminary data from monkeys that indiciates the vaccines are likely to prevent becoming infected to some degree and that asymptomatic carriers have lower viral loads and may not be nearly as contagious. It studied two areas, the deep area like in the lungs and the surface area like in the nasal passages. The vaccines resulted in much higher antibodies in the deep tissues which leads to doubt about it's protection in the surface areas. That's why you don't get sick but why it is likely that you could be infected and contagious.

Preliminary tests in humans look more optimistic.

Oxford coronavirus vaccine shows sustained protection of 76% during the 3-month interval until the second dose | University of Oxford

• Analyses of PCR positive swabs in UK population suggests vaccine may have substantial effect on transmission of the virus with 67% reduction in positive swabs among those vaccinated

 

[ggunn]

To quote Pat Paulsen (from memory and it was a long time ago), "The answer to this question is definitely without a doubt 'who knows?'"

 

[tridacna]

Coronavirus: few vaccines prevent infection – here's why that's not a problem

 

[ReefHound]

Coronavirus: few vaccines prevent infection – here's why that's not a problem

That headline is not talking about covid vaccines. The article actually says:

"The first SARS-CoV-2 vaccines to be licensed have been shown to be highly effective at reducing disease. Despite this, we don’t yet know whether these vaccines can induce sterilising immunity."

And that was my point earlier. People keep repeating "you can still get infected and be contagious after you've been vaccinated" so many times that it is being accepted as fact. It may turn out to be the case. But that is not quite what the experts are saying now. They are saying, like your article, that we don't know. There's a big difference between "we don't know if" and "it won't".

The article also says:
"Asymptomatically infected people typically produce virus at lower levels. Though there is not a perfect relationship, usually more virus equals more disease. Therefore, vaccinated people are less likely to transmit enough virus to cause severe disease."

 

[Guitarcrazy]

Tridacna, I don't get the point of your post. Do you just want to argue over semantics? I recommend the vaccine. I was shoulder to shoulder with a coworker who was positive on Thursday. We flew for over an hour in a small aircraft without masks. He was contagious at the time. He and his entire family were diagnosed on Monday as covid positive. I was tested Tuesday, and the results were negative. No sign of Covid present in the sample. I don't know about you, but to me that means I "don't have the disease".

Condoms are very effective at preventing pregnancy. Do some still get pregnant while using condoms? Yes. Does that mean you don't recommend using condoms to prevent pregnancy? The vaccine has been shown to be 94% effective at preventing covid disease.

You can argue semantics all day long, but what point are you trying to make? If you just want to prove you can find technical reasons to disagree, fine. In the real world, the vaccine shows it works. It worked for me. I don't think any of your posts change the immutable fact that the vaccine is effective.