Choosing a single tank wing/bp set-up.

[ShoalDiverSA]

I just measured my STA and it's less than half an inch thick, so the idea that using a single tank with a traditional BP creates some large moment is false, in fact most BCs hold the tank further from the body than a BP/STA setup.

I agree that the distance between the diver and the tank on a traditional backplate is probably a non-issue. Most of the hardpack jacket BC's hold the tank further away from the diver (including mine) (not sure about the softpack BC's - never looked).

Also, my tank is securely strapped to a curved STA, which is then bolted to the BP, I don't know if a flat plate would hold a tank as securely.

It should be near impossible for the tank to move around with two cam bands holding it. Even on my jacket BC, which has quite a flat backplate where the tank mounts, tank movement is not an issue. My wife's jacket BC has a single strap with no (appreciable) movement apparent. It comes down to how you use the cam. STA or not, if it is not secured correctly, it will move.

I like my setup because I'm not restricted to single tank use.

Wasn't that what rcrs007 was asking about - a single tank setup?

As for the wing, I've never dove with a JetHarness wing, but as far as I know they have no history in wings ...

Neither did Oxycheq until quite recently...

... not to mention that ridiculously long inflator hose.

I have had the good fortune of dealing with Jeff from Jet Harness and he is an extremely (!) helpful person. He goes out of his way to meet all the customer's needs and accommodates any (safe) customisation requests that you might have. If you have an issue with the inflator hose length, just ask. The same applies to all his equipment.

The posts that I have read from Jet Harness users have been very positive. Thank goodness for innovation and people who are prepared to break the mould.

To reiterate LioKai's point: There really are other products besides OMS and Dive Rite and such.

Cheers,

Andrew

 

[5615mike]

Like a few have already mentioned, the Oxycheq needs no modification. Also, the Oxycheq shell (urethane coated nylon BOTH SIDES, and a heavy mil urethane bag inside as well) is better than the Halcyon. So, the answer to your last question is: Its not...

The Halcyon ponies have a way of talking about their equipment like its the best thing on the planet. Well, wake up people, because its not. There are quite a few manufacturers out there that make very good quality equipment. Halcyon's stock is in a freefall...

Here Here........I'm so tired of hear Halcyon this Halcyon that....If you don't buy Halcyon your gear is 2nd rate or trash.......I want to throw up!

 

[jplacson]

But Halcyon's webbing is better than the rest!!! Those blue "H" logos that they added improve hydrodynamic performance!!!! Honest!!! I can swim through blue waters faster cuz of the blue "H"s. Although, slightly greenish waters may slow you down a bit.

:lol:

My rig is a complete Halcyon rig... webbing, bolts, knife sheath and all... but only because I like matching stuff. I already got the wing... I matched everything else. Personal preference.

Had I gotten Dive Rite, or Oxy, I would've gotten that brand all the way.

IMHO, a wing...is a wing...is a wing... is a wing. Unless the thing leaks... it's good. And a plate..is a plate...is a plate. Damn... if it's 'defective', uhm... stay AWAY from that manufacturer for life!!! HAHAHA how many things can seriously go wrong with a chunk of metal? If a manufacturer can't get that right... well, that's a big DANGER sign right there.

I liked the oval shape of the Pioneer system over the usual "U" shapes in other wings. I think OMS is coming up with a similar wing as well. Although I personally do not like the bungee OMS systems. They feel bulky and large... I almost feel like a turtle with a huge shell on my back. That's just my personal opinion on those bungeed systems though.

 

[LUBOLD8431]

Not all OMS wings are bungee. The new single tank one is not.
I looked at the Jet harness site. I dont see a need in spending more money on a Backplate that can only be used with singles. I have three BP's now (different weights, and diffferent material) so I can change it up when I want depending on which tanks Im using. I want to have that flexibility to use a BP with singles AND doubles. As far as the wing goes, Ive never seen it, and I thought they only do online sales. Which means, you cant try it out before you buy it (unless you know someone who has one).
Also, as far as Oxycheq goes, you can get a complete system from them.

 

[OneBrightGator]

It should be near impossible for the tank to move around with two cam bands holding it. Even on my jacket BC, which has quite a flat backplate where the tank mounts, tank movement is not an issue. My wife's jacket BC has a single strap with no (appreciable) movement apparent. It comes down to how you use the cam. STA or not, if it is not secured correctly, it will move.

Bolt an STA on a backplate and set it on the ground, STA up, put a tank on it (without the cam bands) and do the same with a Jet BP, which is flat. Which takes more force to move? Obviously the tank will simply roll off the plate, whereas you'd have to push it off the STA. A flat backplate is inherently unstable, no matter how much you crank down the cam bands.

Wasn't that what rcrs007 was asking about - a single tank setup?

For now, yes, what about the future? Why spend money twice when you don't have to for no gain?

Neither did Oxycheq until quite recently...

And look at the following they've developed, why haven't Jet products developed the same?

I have had the good fortune of dealing with Jeff from Jet Harness and he is an extremely (!) helpful person. He goes out of his way to meet all the customer's needs and accommodates any (safe) customisation requests that you might have. If you have an issue with the inflator hose length, just ask. The same applies to all his equipment.

I've had good fortune of dealing with my LDS who carries Dive Rite and with Jerry and Dyson at Dive Rite who have been more than helpful, but it was very nice to be able to talk person-to-person with someone before buying my equipment and being able to solve problems without having to ship my purchase across the country.

I don't like the oversized D-rings, they just make it harder to clip things; I don't like the sewn webbing, stitching can fail; I don't like the custom sized harness, I can custom size my harness and change it at anytime; I don't like sewn-in D-rings, you can't adjust them or take them out; I don't like the add-on (at extra cost) pockets, sheaths or other accessories, you can't adjust the position or add/remove easily; I don't like the chest strap, it gets in the way and isn't needed; I don't like the inflator epulet; too bulky and restricts dumping.

I know some of these can be fixed, but why? a standard setup from anyone else already has the excess removed.

Ben

 

[OneBrightGator]

I think OMS is coming up with a similar wing as well. Although I personally do not like the bungee OMS systems.

Their wing is not completely circular, it's techincally a U-shape and it doesn't have bungies.

Ben

 

[ShoalDiverSA]

... I know some of these can be fixed, but why? a standard setup from anyone else already has the excess removed.

Ummm, so you don't like the Jet Harness system?

That's great! But I am certain that the system will meet the needs of certain divers just as well as your equipment selection and purchase does for you.

Each to his own.

Cheers,

Andrew

 

[Boogie711]

Ummm, so you don't like the Jet Harness system?

That's great! But I am certain that the system will meet the needs of certain divers just as well as your equipment selection and purchase does for you.

Each to his own.

Cheers,

Andrew

Congratulations. In an effort to prove that it meets "certain divers needs," you just proved his point. In that link you cited, she clearly says she has never had a 'traditional' harness system.

I'll stick with my Hogarthian setup, thanks.

 

[ShoalDiverSA]

Congratulations. ...

Thank you.

... In an effort to prove that it meets "certain divers needs," you just proved his point. In that link you cited, she clearly says she has never had a 'traditional' harness system.

I'll stick with my Hogarthian setup, thanks.

My point: A single tank backplate designed exclusively for single tanks will suit the needs of certain divers.

Not my point: "Traditional" Hogarthian backplate and harness setups are inherently flawed and evil. (In fact, I am in the process of purchasing a "traditional" backplate and harness BC.)

I can, however, see that within the diving community there is space for innovation and that this product will work for some divers.

Cheers,

Andrew

 

[OneBrightGator]

Ummm, so you don't like the Jet Harness system?

No, I don't, as far as I'm concerned it's in-line with the "tek-BCs" out there.

A normal backplate will work for 99.9% of divers for any dives they want to do and can be completely re-rigged at any time and completely redone for less than $20. It's simple and versatile, I see no point in buying a gimmick.

Ben