Child diving while sharing regulator

[JKPAO]

Just because an established group says this is the way to do it, does not mean there are not other ways to learn. This is of course not what I would do but,...... there is no such thing as scuba police. To say the child was in danger is reaching for bubbles. There is not enough info about the child, the parent, or the dive site. BTW Are your statements based because they did not buy into the followed path? I'm no lawyer but, I don't think hear say is allowed in court.
See you topside! John

 

[JKPAO]

Of course this is just my stinky opinion!
see you topside! John

 

[In10se]

Sorry, but I got off in other stuff and thought about this. The more I thought about it the more It bugged me. We just went from hearing about this to arresting the parents and subjecting the kids to social services. Instead of getting involved ourselves, we sic big brother on em'. Government seems to be the grenade we toss at everything these days.

Warning ... rant on!!!

Mandatory steroid testing for high school athletes in Texas. :no

Another yahoo in Texas is trying to get a state bill passed that will legislate a two year waiting period for divorce. :mooner:

Our constitution had been shredded to the extent that none of our private data is private anymore.

The judicial branch has decided that my laptop is subject to seizure and mirroring at any time it's in plain view without a warrant or probable cause. Ditto my cell phone.

The executive branch can now declare war on any country deemed a "terrorist state" with no oversight from the legislative branches of government. :11:

We need less government and more self reliance. All these people in government offices who have empowered themselves need to be dialed down a bit. We need to get involved in the issues like this as we encounter them in order for that to happen.

Going up to the parents and asking the right questions would provide us with the facts. Then we could provide the appropriate education and offer to help them understand the issues. It would save a buttload of tax dollars.

Okay rant off.

Just a thought. The public caining may now commence.

 

[Dadvocate]

I agree that we shouldn't live in a police state, and if we as divers holding to a safety codex of a kind see this practice taking place with someone, I think we are obligated by that codex to say something about the dangers inherent in this kind of practice to the party involved.

That there are classes for introducing any inexperienced person to how scuba works is an important point. One of the key aspects of that is dive shop liability for knowingly participating in...

The best course of action in the moment (after speaking to the parents) is to tell the shop, which might be renting the kit or at least selling the air, what is going on. They would more than likely pull the plug on this practice faster than an emerency ascent.

Cheers!

 

[String]

I don't know about other agencies, but for PADI, it’s in the third paragraph of their
Standard Safe Diving Practices Statement of Understanding,
that is signed by all Open Water Students

“3. . . .
Deny use of my equipment to uncertified divers. . . .”

The form can be seen at:
http://www.padi.com/english/common/courses/forms/pdf/10060-Ver1-3.pdf

Again, firstly its not a legally binding contract and secondly padi have absolutely no sanction available to them if someone doesnt abide by it either. So again - padi can do nothing about it.

All that breaching that would mean is that the dive is outside safe diving practices. Its meaningless. Massive number of dives are conducted each day outside the SDPs (people violating depth, deco obligation, solo and so on)

 

[markr]

...The executive branch can now declare war on any country deemed a "terrorist state" with no oversight from the legislative branches of government. :11:...

The executive branch of the government can not declare war. Only congress can actually declare a war. The executive office does have the power to order troops into combat without declaring war. This is not something new, it's in the original part of the constitution. Changing this would require a constitutional amendment.

The only thing that has changed in recent years is congress passed the war powers act, which theoretically limits the presidents ability to go to war. No president since the war powers act was passed has agreed to it's constitutionality and the Supreme Court has never made a ruling one way or the other.

Congress can not change the president's job description, it requires an amendment.

 

[In10se]

The executive branch of the government can not declare war. Only congress can actually declare a war. The executive office does have the power to order troops into combat without declaring war. This is not something new, it's in the original part of the constitution. Changing this would require a constitutional amendment.

The only thing that has changed in recent years is congress passed the war powers act, which theoretically (untested yet) limits the presidents ability to go to war. No president since the war powers act was passed has agreed to it's constitutionality and the Supreme Court has never made a ruling one way or the other.

Congress can not change the president's job description, it requires an amendment.

If only that were so.

Amendments?!?!?! "He don' need no stinkin' amendments ... "

Sigh, the facts as they now exist do not go along with the concepts set into the constitution by our founding fathers. Now that President George W. Bush has been given authority to pursue terrorists where ever they may be he can bomb Iran, since the Iranian Elite Revolutionary Guard has been declared a terrorist organization, without the congressional nod. Congress can draft up a resolution requiring him to stop, but he can veto it and just keep on going.

There is a bill being considered that would overhaul US government war powers by setting a 30 day review authority allowing Congress to stop the President, but as it stands right now ... nope. The President can bomb any group declared as a terrorist organization, where ever they may be, as is evidenced by the recent unmanned drones bombing Pakistan without and against Pakistani governmental approval.

IREG is a terrorist org and can be bombed ... essentially attacking the government of Iran. Ditto every other Islamic country on the planet. Sux, but that is the way it is right now. Our Constitution has gone the way of the dohdohhhh.

Ehhh I don't want to hijack this thread anymore :no. I'm not responding to anymore political debates here. It's what we have the hijack thread for .

 

[perdidochas]

We just heard about a group of divers that took an 11 year old diving in the Keys. The young girl is not certified, they took her to 30 feet in open water, using their emergency back up regulators for multiple dives. The child was brought down by holding onto the adults weight belts. The child has chronic asthma. Short of being just stupid, is this criminal? What are the regulations, rules and guidelines for this in Florida? PADI? etc.

No laws, other than possibly child endangerment, were broken. It was mainly an exercise in stupidity by the adults involved.

 

[Zieg]

We just heard about a group of divers that took an 11 year old diving in the Keys. The young girl is not certified, they took her to 30 feet in open water, using their emergency back up regulators for multiple dives. The child was brought down by holding onto the adults weight belts. The child has chronic asthma. Short of being just stupid, is this criminal? What are the regulations, rules and guidelines for this in Florida? PADI? etc.

You know, I really have a problem with this statement, "We just heard...". Reminds me of all the urban legends I've HEARD, reported to me by someone who personally KNEW someone it happened to.

 

[bubba105]

Sorry, but I got off in other stuff and thought about this. The more I thought about it the more It bugged me. We just went from hearing about this to arresting the parents and subjecting the kids to social services. Instead of getting involved ourselves, we sic big brother on em'. Government seems to be the grenade we toss at everything these days.

Warning ... rant on!!!

Mandatory steroid testing for high school athletes in Texas. :no

Another yahoo in Texas is trying to get a state bill passed that will legislate a two year waiting period for divorce. :mooner:

Our constitution had been shredded to the extent that none of our private data is private anymore.

The judicial branch has decided that my laptop is subject to seizure and mirroring at any time it's in plain view without a warrant or probable cause. Ditto my cell phone.

The executive branch can now declare war on any country deemed a "terrorist state" with no oversight from the legislative branches of government. :11:

We need less government and more self reliance. All these people in government offices who have empowered themselves need to be dialed down a bit. We need to get involved in the issues like this as we encounter them in order for that to happen.

Going up to the parents and asking the right questions would provide us with the facts. Then we could provide the appropriate education and offer to help them understand the issues. It would save a buttload of tax dollars.

Okay rant off.

Just a thought. The public caining may now commence.

I agree with less government in our lives. However, for the sake of discussion, suppose the child had panicked, held their breath while ascending, had an embolism & died. Should the parents then be held accountable? And, if so, should there not be a measure of preventability in place to keep this tragedy from taking place? If your child is not seat belted in while you drive, the police pull you over & issue you a ticket. That reminds you to belt the child in. If this story is true, the parent should be thrashed by the biggest cop in the station, no video cameras present, as a reminder not to be a douche bag by endangering their child. Just my opinion.