certs for air fills for twin tanks??

[Spoon]

guys i am so annoyed! i wanted to get my twins filled today at the local lds that offered filling services and got denied. they said i needed to be certified for twin tanks with any certifying agency. usually the min cert they look for is adv. nitrox. i think this is hogwash and wrong on their part. however they said they could fill me for singles???

is their point valid? if its their policy then i would undertstand but whats their basis anyway? i know a lot of people who do twins without having an adv nitrox certification. basically as long as you know how or have learned it then it should be ok. i know guys who are aow who dop twins all the time for a purely recreational purpose. man i learned twins in my dir-f course shouldnt that more than do? they will sell me a wing for doubles yet they wont fill my cyclinders!

comments? BTW got em filled at another place without any problems

 

[miketsp]

As has been pointed out on this board many times, with exceptions of just a few countries, dive certification is not a actually a legal requirement, presentation of a c-card is merely a way of reducing the chance of a civil suit against the dive shop.
Even stranger is that you brought in your own doubles and they refused to fill them!
I could imagine more reluctance if you wanted to rent a pair.
At the most the shop should give you a warning that diving with twins requires extra training.
Is there no Consumer Protection Legislation where you are?
If there is, then refusing service or to sell an advertised product is often illegal.
Considered discrimination.

 

[chip104]

I think you should go in today with one tank and then go in tomorrow (or an hour later) to fill the other.

Or roundhouse kick the LDS owner in the face.


heh.

 

[Spoon]

I think you should go in today with one tank and then go in tomorrow (or an hour later) to fill the other.

Or roundhouse kick the LDS owner in the face.


heh.

not possible chip. i preffer the roundhouse kick to the face

if thats the case they shouldnt sell double wings either unless you have certs!

 

[MikeFerrara]

Sppon took a DIRF and was probably run through valve drills and stuff but I will say that diving manifolded doubles isn't much help if you don't learn to use them someplace. Notice I said someplace. That's the practical side for the diver.

The business end is that this shop really takes the cake doesn't it? It's about the most over the top pile of bunk that I've ever heard of comming out of a dive shop.

The owner should be tared, feathered and run out of town on a rail. But...sadly...we can't do that

The most practical approach is to find a dive shop that isn't as idiotic and just pass on the word about this guy when you get a chance to warn others.

A more satsfying approach that's legal (unlike option one), more fun and possibly more constructive (though I doubt it) than option two is to make an appointment to see the owner. Ask him to show you any standards, insurance requirements or whatever that he thinks even remotely suggests that he should not fill your doubles. The shop owner may learn something and adjust his policy. If he doesn't have those standards handy or doesn't want to show them to you, just ask for a reference that you can look up on your own. Of course he won't be able to produce any such documents but believe it or not he probably doesn't yet realize that himself. try to get him to actually look it up.

The plain truth is that many instructors and dive shop owners have a strictly recreational diving background and have never been closer to a set of double than seeing them on TV. Resorts even take people cave diving without doubles. If they do fill them for you be careful and watch because they may not even know how. I've seen all kinds of scary things. They may hook up two fill whips, they may think you have to fill each tank individually and they may close the isolator and only fill one tank. If they are receptive, teach them. Be patient and realize that this is strange and new to them and you may as well have walked in with a piece of allien technowlogy or something. Under ideal circumstances, with luck and a skillful approach, there are rare (but rewarding) instances when even dive shop owners and employees are capable of learning. Go slow, be clear and organized, make them repeat back key pieces of information and don't stop until they have demonstrated mastery of the material.

 

[Spoon]

Sppon took a DIRF and was probably run through valve drills and stuff but I will say that diving manifolded doubles isn't much help if you don't learn to use them someplace. Notice I said someplace. That's the practical side for the diver.

The business end is that this shop really takes the cake doesn't it? It's about the most over the top pile of bunk that I've ever heard of comming out of a dive shop.

The owner should be tared, feathered and run out of town on a rail. But...sadly...we can't do that

The most practical approach is to find a dive shop that isn't as idiotic and just pass on the word about this guy when you get a chance to warn others.

ive been doing doubles way before the fundies anyway i just dint like it when the lds assumed that doubles is only for tech. their is such a thing and a place for doubles in the recreational diving arena as well. on a deeper note, i honestly think its becasue i had the dir-f cert. this lds eats dir divers for breakfast and is known to personally have a grudge against my instructor.

whats ironic is i cant bite his head off since he is the only poseidon servicer in my country and i dive poseidon my problem is solved as i filled my tanks elsewhere.

 

[MikeFerrara]

ive been doing doubles way before the fundies anyway i just dint like it when the lds assumed that doubles is only for tech. their is such a thing and a place for doubles in the recreational diving arena as well. on a deeper note, i honestly think its becasue i had the dir-f cert. this lds eats dir divers for breakfast and is known to personally have a grudge against my instructor.

whats ironic is i cant bite his head off since he is the only poseidon servicer in my country and i dive poseidon my problem is solved as i filled my tanks elsewhere.

You're a long way away but I know several divers who use poseidons and have access to parts. I'm sure you could find them if you looked.

 

[HowardE]

I didn't even know there was a "doubles cert" - sounds to me like you need a new LDS to give your business to (if there are more)

 

[Walter]

There isn't a doubles certification.

 

[Spoon]

I didn't even know there was a "doubles cert" - sounds to me like you need a new LDS to give your business to (if there are more)

theres no such thing, i just think im being picked on for some reason or this lds is just trying to sell me an advanced nitrox course.