Certification through different agencies

[jfe]

I've qualified OW and Adv through NAUI. Then due to a lack of agencies / schools in the area I've lived in I did my Nitrox and rescue through PADI (or more to the point busy with RD). PADI did not have any issues and recognise the NAUI certification. Question now is, will NAUI recognise the PADI Rescue if I want to switch back for my Master diver certification. According to a fellow diver he could not do so on his, NAUI apparently did not accept the qualification and he had to re-do it through NAUI or wait till he could get onto a PADI course again. He compared it to a one-way street. How true is this? I would have thought that because of the international standards and "watch dogs" things like this should not occur and you would have choice of agency and they respect and accept each other.

 

[Littlerayray]

A lot of agencies do not like the way paid goes about certifying students especially down south with their minimal training I am acuc certified and we have at least one student who is paid ow certified taking the acuc ow course because they felt inadequately trained and during the course they say it was Intense

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The last pool session in the course is a blackout dive we call it where you and a buddy are on the edge of the pool student A has a garbage bag in their mask and their bc is at the bottom of the pool they must do a front roll entry and swim down find their regular and bc dawn all of their equipment without surfacing if they surface they must restart once all equipment is on they must rest on the bottom of the pool and wait for student B. Student B must enter pool with only their mask and weight belt dive down and meet up with student A. They must then buddy breath from one end to the other without breaking the surface student B can see and student A is blind once this has been achieved then the rolls are reversed the reason for this drill is to put students in a high stress but controlled environment that way if crap hits the fan in the river there is no panic especially in low to no visible situations which we encounter often

 

[decompression]

A lot of agencies do not like the way paid goes about certifying students especially down south with their minimal training I am acuc certified and we have at least one student who is paid ow certified taking the acuc ow course because they felt inadequately trained and during the course they say it was Intense

---------- Post added October 29th, 2015 at 09:19 AM ----------

The last pool session in the course is a blackout dive we call it where you and a buddy are on the edge of the pool student A has a garbage bag in their mask and their bc is at the bottom of the pool they must do a front roll entry and swim down find their regular and bc dawn all of their equipment without surfacing if they surface they must restart once all equipment is on they must rest on the bottom of the pool and wait for student B. Student B must enter pool with only their mask and weight belt dive down and meet up with student A. They must then buddy breath from one end to the other without breaking the surface student B can see and student A is blind once this has been achieved then the rolls are reversed the reason for this drill is to put students in a high stress but controlled environment that way if crap hits the fan in the river there is no panic especially in low to no visible situations which we encounter often

That is laughable.......

Generally most of the big agencies are members of RSTC which ensures they have similar training standards. As well, most of those agencies accept "or equivalent" as a prerequisite for acceptance into their courses.

I think it's a big benefit to see how other agencies teach and view things. Nothing wrong with a wider range of experience.


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[OldNSalty]

NAUI does not care about your PADI rescue or Nitrox, or at least shouldn't because by having the NAUI Adv card you have met the requirements to start the MD course.

As an aside, most agencies don't have an issue with you jumping around (some do). I've probably got cards from about 5 or 6 different agencies.

 

[knotical]

... Generally most of the big agencies are members of RSTC ...

With NAUI being a notable exception. CMAS and BSAC are other large non-members. ref: WRSTC :: World Recreational Scuba Training Council

 

[RJP]

As an aside, most agencies don't have an issue with you jumping around (some do).

Which agencies DO have an issue with this?

 

[OldNSalty]

Which agencies DO have an issue with this?

Perhaps poorly worded on my part; I meant to say that agencies will generally take card X from one agency to be their equivalence and allow you to take their next higher class. You see a lot of wording that says something along the lines of “Must be AgencyX Advanced Diver certified or equivalent.”

That “equivalent” is the part that implies you can go get a card from somewhere else and we will honor it. I have noticed that GUE specifies that for several of their courses that you must have their next lower card as a prerequisite, not someone else’s.

To say they have issue with it is perhaps wrong, it just won’t be honored I assumed based on their published standards.

 

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The reason that GUE/UTD require an entry course is the emphasis on team diving. This is elemental in the system. A traditionally trained diver will be a weak link and a potential hazard when it comes to protocols and skills.

But, one simple course (essentials/fundamentals) gets you level with the cool kids.[emoji2]


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[OldNSalty]

Not disagreeing with the reason for it and I am taking one of those cool courses soon....just saying, and I could be wrong, but it looks like once you start down one path they don't care about your other certs. Of course, for the OP, he is fine. He has the courses he needs to do what he wants to do.

 

[KevinNM]

The reason that GUE/UTD require an entry course is the emphasis on team diving. This is elemental in the system. A traditionally trained diver will be a weak link and a potential hazard when it comes to protocols and skills.

But, one simple course (essentials/fundamentals) gets you level with the cool kids.[emoji2]

All the GUE prerequisites are, in theory anyhow, waverable. In theory you meet and dive with an Instructor Evaluator and show him you have all the knowledge required and can perform all the required skills to standard. Having taken a class with an IE I can say they seem to be pretty hard to impress. That said, I don't know if wavers are a real possibility even though it is in the standards document.