CCR and OC Buddies

[Ghost.Diver]

Ok you and I are about to make a dive. You on CCR, me on OC. If you dont think its necessary for me to know how to help you then I think you are a BAD buddy. The ones I have completed dves with all made it a point to educate me. I could give a you know what wether I dive with OC or CCR buddies. But if I have no interest in learning how to save you on it then I am not a good buddy either. And I hope you would call me on it. Is that clearer for you? I am dead tired, 14hr shift today.

Went back and checked my original post on this to be sure that I didnt get something miss stated and I didnt. If it was read that way or taken that way I am sorry.

All three members of my typical team (2 CCR, 1 OC), go over procedures on the way to the site, at the site, and on the surface prior to going down. When they went CCR, that was the main question I had-what do "I" do if one of you have a :shocked2: moment, and what will you do for me in the same situation.

To sum it up, i know what what is necessary to help them and they know what to do to help me. Hopefully, that clears up what I was talking about.

 

[Kevin Carlisle]

Went back and checked my original post on this to be sure that I didnt get something miss stated and I didnt. If it was read that way or taken that way I am sorry.

All three members of my typical team (2 CCR, 1 OC), go over procedures on the way to the site, at the site, and on the surface prior to going down. When they went CCR, that was the main question I had-what do "I" do if one of you have a :shocked2: moment, and what will you do for me in the same situation.

To sum it up, i know what what is necessary to help them and they know what to do to help me. Hopefully, that clears up what I was talking about.

In other words you agree with me and I agree with you.. We should know how to save our buddies on CCR.. And as i told Mr. Rebreater as people call him I still dont want one!!!

 

[gcbryan]

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And seriously, if all you're doing are some easy, fun NDL dives, why is your teammate on a RB in the first place? Sure, in this case, he's probably trying to gain more than 20 hours on the unit before becoming an instructor, but in general? ...

So, have you never used doubles on a shallow dive to gain some experience with gear when you weren't on the path to becoming a 20 hour instructor?

Have you ever used a CCR or gone on a dive with someone using CCR?

Seriously.

 

[Rainer]

I can't tell if what you wrote is a joke or a dumb post...

If I'm in doubles, there's nothing inherently more dangerous than being on a single, even for any teammates around me unfamiliar with doubles. If I had an issue that they couldn't sort out, I just bail to their gas. Any other issue I have (tox, etc) is exactly the same as if I were on a single. That's completely different than me being on utterly different gear that requires different rescue procedures (and is much more likely to have associated failures).

And no, I wouldn't bring new divers out with me while I learned doubles (especially if my goal 10 dives later was to teach them to others).

Seriously.

So, have you never used doubles on a shallow dive to gain some experience with gear when you weren't on the path to becoming a 20 hour instructor?

Seriously.

 

[Cave Diver]

So, have you never used doubles on a shallow dive to gain some experience with gear when you weren't on the path to becoming a 20 hour instructor?

Have you ever used a CCR or gone on a dive with someone using CCR?

Seriously.

I'll step up to this one. I've used doubles and CCR in a lake with a max depth of 24'. I certainly didnt *need* the doubles or CCR to dive the lake.

However I needed the lake to dive the CCR. It's what I had available to me. I'd love to dive 100' wrecks every weekend, or caves. Reality is I can't, so when I want to practice something, or try out new gear config I dive what I have available. The silty bottom is good practice for my kicking technique and the shallow depth is good practice for proper buoyancy control.

Doesn't make me any less of a diver to dive there.

 

[gcbryan]

I can't tell if what you wrote is a joke or a dumb post...

It's not a dumb post...seriously.

So, you haven't been on a dive with someone on CCR?

 

[Rainer]

I have, including a few technical dives (but always in a group of three, with the third diver on OC).

I gave mixed team diving a try. It isn't for me. Too many potential complications. The biggest of which is that *I* make a terrible buddy for someone on CCR since I know very little about the units, nor have practiced sufficiently to feel capable of aiding in possible distress. Moreover, I have no incentive to learn about RBs. I have plenty of solid, fun OC divers with whom to dive. That's just less stress for me.

I think most teams are probably better off all OC or all RB.

It's not a dumb post...seriously.

So, you haven't been on a dive with someone on CCR?

 

[Web Monkey]

When the CCR diver has onboard bailout there is nothing to share with an OOA OC diver.

If the CCR diver has problems there isn't that much that the OC diver can do.

Is there some reason an OC diver with enough gas wouldn't be a good bailout for a CCR diver.

Terry

 

[gcbryan]

I have, including a few technical dives (but always in a group of three, with the third diver on OC).

I gave mixed team diving a try. It isn't for me. Too many potential complications. The biggest of which is that *I* make a terrible buddy for someone on CCR since I know very little about the units, nor have practiced sufficiently to feel capable of aiding in possible distress. Moreover, I have no incentive to learn about RBs. I have plenty of solid, fun OC divers with whom to dive. That's just less stress for me.

I think most teams are probably better off all OC or all RB.

I agree.

 

[HowardE]

Is there some reason an OC diver with enough gas wouldn't be a good bailout for a CCR diver.

Terry

No. If it's a breathable gas, it's good for bailing out.

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I haven't dived with an OC diver while diving a CCR, but I would dive with an OC diver who didn't know how to dive a rebreather as long as I reviewed the important points that Cave Diver mentioned earlier in the thread.

First and foremost, I'd re-iterate. If YOU are out of air: Use THIS TANK and THIS REGULATOR. DO NOT remove the DSV from my mouth unless I am unconscious, and here's how you close the loop.