Caymans: Resort (LCBR) vs. Liveaboard

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Just to add to my post, you can do your own thing when diving at LCBR except for the time allowed that is. On the first two dives of the day we had a 60 minute time limit and then another 60 minute time limit for the afternoon dive. For me, an hour on a dive is plenty. Also, you didn't have to follow a DM around at all. You can if you want or you can go off and do your own thing. They have no problem at all with that.
 
I'll vote for the Aggressor too. LCBR is nice, but their approach to experienced divers is conservative. You'll have more freedom to do your own thing (as opposed to trailing around after a DM) on the liveaboard.

Agree on the conservatism for experienced divers. Things were pretty "forgiving" until around 2 years ago...a spat of local diver deaths (across a couple of dive operators, IIRC) very naturally prompted some tightening up, particularly for solo diving.

In any event, 'freedom' is a multi-dimensional question.

A big part of the reason why I personally like places like the Sister Islands so much is the freedom to go for a walk/bike/drive and get away from everyone/everything.

As such, I don't particulary relish being "restricted" to being onboard a boat for a week, as it precludes having time "away" from the boat for land-based options of going for a hike, spending some time at the ponds for birdwatching, a quiet evening walk on a beach, poking around in tidepools, taking in a sunset at Salt Rocks, etc. OTOH, if Lenny Nickerman still has his kayak that I could (ahem!) borrow for some DIY shore excursions... :D


...Check their website and see how many times they have made it over to Little Cayman in October and make your decision based on that. You can't go wrong with either choice.

Good advice. No week is ever going to be risk-free for making the crossing over from Grand Cayman, but October will be IMO better than "winter" (Dec-Feb being generally the worst). What I've found over the past 20 years to be the common prevailing Cayman weather in the Sept/October timeframe is that one can have easterlies (ENE) that can blow fairly stiff "Down the Slot" for a couple of days, then it quiets down, etc.

Just to add to my post, you can do your own thing when diving at LCBR except for the time allowed that is. On the first two dives of the day we had a 60 minute time limit and then another 60 minute time limit for the afternoon dive. For me, an hour on a dive is plenty. Also, you didn't have to follow a DM around at all. You can if you want or you can go off and do your own thing. They have no problem at all with that.

These bottom time schedule limitations do get accentuated some in Little Cayman, due to BBMP's typical topologies, which often has some nice reef areas where one can drift around in for 25-30 minutes at <20fsw to degass and burn off only ~800psi. As such, an hour's BT really isn't necessarily all too hard when you spend half the dive so shallow.

And while a "First In, Last Out" (FILO) strategy can add 10-15 minutes, its not possible for everyone to use a "FILO" strategy. It doesn't help that it is human nature for many people to rush to be first in even if their relatively higher SAC also means that they'll also be 'First Up', and then end up cooling their heels for a half hour and give dirty looks to the mellow greybeard who was forced to go in last and does his 'allowed' 60 minutes.

Not really sure that this is something that any DM has really ever come up with a brief Politically Correct statement to make in a dive briefing to encourage the proverbial air hog Type A's to reconsider jumping in first which won't potentially hurt the DIve OP's customer satisfaction or staff tips.



-hh

PS: I just got a newsworthy phone call ... Reef Divers on the Brac is now operating.
 
And while a "First In, Last Out" (FILO) strategy can add 10-15 minutes, its not possible for everyone to use a "FILO" strategy. It doesn't help that it is human nature for many people to rush to be first in even if their relatively higher SAC also means that they'll also be 'First Up', and then end up cooling their heels for a half hour and give dirty looks to the mellow greybeard who was forced to go in last and does his 'allowed' 60 minutes..........PS: I just got a newsworthy phone call ... Reef Divers on the Brac is now operating.

You are right on with the FILO strategy. I do uw video so when possible, I like to be one of the first in. That way I have the possibility of getting in some good video before things might get stirred up or scared off. And like you said, you may be able to get in an extra few minutes if you SAC rate is good.

When I was there in May, during the first couple of days, I would be the first in. So on the third day I decided to hold back a little in case others wanted to get in first although it seemed as if no one really did the first two days. So me and my buddy waited, and waited, and waited. Finally we go ahead and get to the back of the boat and go in. After a couple of minutes we see others headed down. It was a little older crowd on the boat (me included) and I guess everyone was moving a little slow.

Good to hear Reef Divers on Brac is back open! Another great operation.
 
I've done both and each has their good points depending on what you are looking for. The biggest positive imo for LCBR is the extra room you get. Little Cayman is a little island but it's not nearly as small as the boat. You get an obnoxious individual or two and it can make boat life more "challenging" to enjoy to say the least. Easier to get away from that land based. Boat life can get pretty tight and spartan.

I agree with the others on the biggest downside of land based ops. It's easier to dive your guts out on liveaboards when compared to most land based operations. Liveaboard is the only way to go if you want max dives and bottom time

Boats can have their issues to. I had one liveaboard where they were having problems with the bilge or something. My room smelled like a sewer the whole week, it wasn't pleasant. Last time i had to deal with a smell like that i was getting paid to it and not paying for it. It didn't wreck the dive week but it certainly didn't leave it smelling like a rose either. Never had that problem with a land based operation.
 
Just to add to my post, you can do your own thing when diving at LCBR except for the time allowed that is. On the first two dives of the day we had a 60 minute time limit and then another 60 minute time limit for the afternoon dive. For me, an hour on a dive is plenty. Also, you didn't have to follow a DM around at all. You can if you want or you can go off and do your own thing. They have no problem at all with that.

At LCBR the first dive of the day is always 50 minutes with 110' max depth. The second and third dives of the day are always 60 minutes with 60' max. The DM's are only too happy to have people do their own thing, provided they stay within the above profiles.
 
At LCBR the first dive of the day is always 50 minutes with 110' max depth. The second and third dives of the day are always 60 minutes with 60' max. The DM's are only too happy to have people do their own thing, provided they stay within the above profiles.

In general you are correct. However, when we were there back in May, after the first day one of the folks on board went to the dive manager and complained that 50 minutes of bottom time on the first dive was not adequate. (They were staying pretty shallow) So they decided to let both morning dives be 60 minute dives. We just left the dock about 10 minutes earlier than normal as I remember.
 
-hh,
I saw that Brac Reef Divers was running their boats last week for the Dive Pirate Handicapped group. The resort rebuild seems to be dragging along pretty slowly, however. Mr. T told me that he was "hopeful" that they would be open by December.
 
BDSC,
I'm glad you clarified that since a 60 minute first dive is not the norm. In fact, last week I witnessed a few harsh words between the DM's and 2 divers who decided to extend the first dive (I believe it was about 65 minutes) on their own. The rest of the divers, particularly the ones who were fifo were not happy either.
 
BDSC,
I'm glad you clarified that since a 60 minute first dive is not the norm. In fact, last week I witnessed a few harsh words between the DM's and 2 divers who decided to extend the first dive (I believe it was about 65 minutes) on their own. The rest of the divers, particularly the ones who were fifo were not happy either.

Actually, the guy who complained ended up being a real PIA. All he did was complain all week about everything. He wouldn't let any of the DM touch his stuff and bring him the BC to the back of the boat. He ended up having a few words with a couple of other folks on the boat and he was then told in no uncertain terms that if he wanted to keep diving that week he needed to cool it quickly.

The thing is, he was a TRIP LEADER for some other folks! Even they got tired of him. In the end it all worked out OK and he did calm down some. Especially when one of his own group got on his case in front of the rest of the boat.

I felt kinda sorry for the DM's because they are really great and work so hard for everyone to have a good time but we didn't let him ruin the trip for us, the others, or the DM's.
 
I probably met that group leader about four years ago in LC. From a southern state?

I am not familiar with the FILO strategy. I have always thought was that 60 minutes was 60 minutes.

If someone goes off first and waits until everyone else gets back, isn't that person making everyone else wait on them? Shouldn't they have been back in 60 minutes?

I did not think the point was to come as close to using the air as much as possible. I thought the point was that you had a 60 minute dive limit. Yes, I know that sometimes because several people are trying to come in that you may go over.

Why do the rules apply to everyone except the one that goes off first. What about a SILO strategy? Second in and last out? What if you just beat me off the boat? Where does the last out strategy end?

Planning to be the first in and last out seems to be inconsiderate to me. That seems to make the day longer for everyone.

What am I missing or don't understand?

TIA
 

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