Cave dive if uncertified

[Papa_Bear]

You are considered dead when you go in until you come out! Your a dead diver without the proper training! Period! END OF STORY! Recreational diving is very safe, but Cave is one of the most dangerous per dive activities you can do! No hype just the truth!

 

[Papa_Bear]

Top most Dangerous sports:Kidzworld :: World's Most Dangerous Sports | Deadly and Dangerous Sports

or: http://www.mmaplayground.com/forums/topic15808-1.html

 

[MauiScubaSteve]

3. Cave Diving - Imagine being more than 100 feet (30 meters) underwater in a deep, cold and dark cave. Divers are well trained but there are so many things that can go wrong which is why this is one of the world's most dangerous sports. You can lose your way, run out of air, your equipment can fail or you can be eaten alive by a cave creature.

So this is how you would reference your statement, how you would get kids not to try it without training? If the last 10 words are a joke, many kids will see the whole thing as a joke!

What is everyone's problem with factual, actual, real world discussions? OH yeah, it's the internet, it's not really real.

 

[Oxy]

It is said that a million monkeys at a million keyboards can eventually write the complete works of Shakespeare.
Thanks to the internet, we know this is not true.

I'll dive in a cave when it has lights, heat, air, food, etc....

 

[ucfdiver]

Here is a Cave diving video under construction and is a rough cut! Take a look and see if it is something you might want to try and then get trained!

Two Tanked Productions HD & SD Underwater Productions and video services

Please cut out the hand finning, flutter kicks, failed s drills, etc from that video. I think it gives a false sense of cave divers not being a whole lot different than OW divers who wear expensive tanks. I think the narration is great, but shot selection is iffy.


To the OP, I've got tons of dives and 9 years experience at the cavern level, and I just failed my intro to cave class. One of the other two taking it with me failed as well, and the one who passed, was retaking it from the previous year after failing it the first time. It's not a walk in the park. Picture swimming into the force of a fire hydrant named devils ear.....your 2nd stages will be free flowing and your reel will get tangled up. It's really not where you want to be as a beginner. If you want to experience some overhead without cavern/cave training, I suggest getting certified, going to Ginnie Spring's ballroom or blue grotto and taking it easy.

If you want to see some great HD videos, go here-
2007

 

[MauiScubaSteve]

Picture swimming into the force of a fire hydrant named devils ear.....your 2nd stages will be free flowing and your reel will get tangled up. It's really not where you want to be as a beginner.

I do not believe Intro to Cave is normally conducted in fire hydrant like current, but I've only seen the class once. Just out of curiosity, if the current is causing 2nd stage free flow and reel tangle, shouldn't the dive be aborted and tried later (or at another location). Another question; as an Intro to Cave candidate, aren't you also the beginner that shouldn't be in those conditions?

 

[FIXXERVI6]

So it does not sound like she died? "managed to bring her back on the boat with CPR"

I am not questioning your decisions not to do specific dives, I am questioning your unsupported statement linking devil's throat to needless deaths. If there is support for that statement, by all means bring it up and make a valid point!

All I see is a bunch of fear-mongering. Just saying you will die if you dive without training and you will die in a cave without cave training is not going to sway many people; they will just ignore stupid statements like that, especially if they have heard of people doing those things without problems!

If one gives examples of the possible problems, with documentation of deaths or accidents, a valid case can be made for proper training. If one shows the advantages of proper training and the wonders awaiting the properly trained, the op might actually consider getting trained first.

Just Say No works about as well in diving as it does with drugs or sex!

The comment about needless deaths was a blanket statement

She died then they brought her back, ok so you got me she lived and had a great dive so we can mark that one off as a safely executed dive.

International Underwater Cave Rescue and Recovery

The most recent OW diver deaths I can recall is a diver in Manatee, tried to swim back out a syphon and ran out of air, one in PIII ran out of air, one in Jackson Blue, got stuck, I don't know the details but when they did the recovery he was not out of air.

Its not fear mongoring, too many people have a lack of respect for what water can do to you, day one of cave class first thing I got to sit down and watch a simulated video of a cave diving death and recovery, nail scratches at the wall etc. Was it to scare us so we wouldn't take the class? no, it was a heavy dose of reality, you have to respect the water and understand the risks, to downplay the risks is criminal, so, fear mongoring? nope, just keepin it real man.

As to my stupid statements if you do not wish to read them simply add me to your ignore list and you won't be bothered when I post other stupid stuff.

I dont' beleive cave diving to be the most dangerous sport, for me, I beleive I"m more likely to die in the all nighter drive from TX to FL, that doesn't mean a cave will never get me, it just means there are plenty more dangerous things to do other than cave diving - but dead is dead.

Rescue 911 - Episode 202 - "Scuba Cave" (Part 1 of 2)

Rescue 911 - Episode 202 - "Scuba Cave" (Part 2 of 2)

Just remember after looking at the accident reports and the video, I'm just some guy on the internet stiring fear mongering and posting stupid stuff so all the chicks will think I"m some tough cave diver guy, too bad my cave diving wife won't let me date.

 

[FIXXERVI6]

I do not believe Intro to Cave is normally conducted in fire hydrant like current, but I've only seen the class once. Just out of curiosity, if the current is causing 2nd stage free flow and reel tangle, shouldn't the dive be aborted and tried later (or at another location). Another question; as an Intro to Cave candidate, aren't you also the beginner that shouldn't be in those conditions?

My very first intro dive was in devils, rippin flow and all, a lot of caves rip pretty good, I can't see any instructor handing an intro card to anyone that couldn't handle flow, thats part of cave diving.

Don't want the flow, go to mexico

 

[FIXXERVI6]

with all that being said, cave diving is the best thing that has ever happened to me, I love it, nothing like it.

 

[ucfdiver]

I do not believe Intro to Cave is normally conducted in fire hydrant like current, but I've only seen the class once. Just out of curiosity, if the current is causing 2nd stage free flow and reel tangle, shouldn't the dive be aborted and tried later (or at another location). Another question; as an Intro to Cave candidate, aren't you also the beginner that shouldn't be in those conditions?

The whole point of ending an intro class there is to show the students how to manage the flow, get high, low, left, right, etc and find a spot where you can hide behind cave wall to make your tie offs, and then pull/glide through the current to save your energy and air. We did the last dive of our cavern class here as well. Devils Ear @ Ginnie is one of the best known training sites in the world. If you look at the 2007 link I posted, you can see a video of it.