Can you be DIR if you are not GUE-trained?

[detroit diver]

Lead_carrier once bubbled...
The only people I have dealt with on an educational level of DIR have almost turned me totally off the the idea. While I have picked up a LOT of very useful and helpful information, being told that unless I buy Halcyon bp/wings I will never be anything more than a mediocre diver kinda gets my gall. That is like saying only one type of golf club will work on the PGA tour. I want the education, the experience and I want to learn new things but not at the expense of having to blindly follow one path without question.

Who did you take your GUE Fundamental's class with that told you that?

 

[Lead_carrier]

detroit diver once bubbled...


Who did you take your GUE Fundamental's class with that told you that?

The fellow that was the only Halcyon dealer in the area, and I never did "take" the course after we discussed the reasoning of his opinion. He had gone hog wild on WKPP and GUE and just carried it to extreme, the same way many of us carry our personal views to the same degree but after seeing some of their dive planning and some of his divers, I was extremely pleased with my being mediocre. But I still learned a lot about equipment configuration and such.

 

[detroit diver]

So you're saying that a Halcyon Dealer wanted to sell you Halcyon equipment? And that turned you off to GUE/DIR?

You didn't deal with ANYONE on an educational level from GUE. I knew that before I asked the previous question because the instructors just don't push any particular brand during their classes.

If you're going to knock an agency (or anything else for that matter), tell the whole story. What you got was an agressive sales person and nothing more.

My LDS is a Haycon dealer also. They wouldn't know GUE or DIR if it hit them in the face. But they'll do their best to sell the stuff they've got to anyone that will buy it.

Lead_carrier once bubbled...


The fellow that was the only Halcyon dealer in the area, and I never did "take" the course after we discussed the reasoning of his opinion. He had gone hog wild on WKPP and GUE and just carried it to extreme, the same way many of us carry our personal views to the same degree but after seeing some of their dive planning and some of his divers, I was extremely pleased with my being mediocre. But I still learned a lot about equipment configuration and such.

 

[Lead_carrier]

detroit diver once bubbled...
S And that turned you off to GUE/DIR?

You didn't deal with ANYONE on an educational level from GUE. I knew that before I asked the previous question because the instructors just don't push any particular brand during their classes.

If you're going to knock an agency (or anything else for that matter), tell the whole story. What you got was an agressive sales person and nothing more.

I was taking a technical diving course and the assumption was that is was DIR. Since the GUE standards require bp/wings, which I do not personally like, I would not qualify anyway so that is a mute point.

If you took my post as a knock of GUE/DIR then my apologies, it was not meant to be. I have learned a lot from divers that are DIR, and some that were DIR before DIR was cool.

My big gripe is more about some divers that look at their way as the only way, and this includes a lot more than GUE/DIR. I don't care if it is GUE, SSI, PADI, NAUI, or whoever. If you will read my post again, you should notice that I placed myself in the catagory of overstating our personal views.. My kick was against the fanaticism that seems to follow. After seeing many of the post from some of the DIR divers my opinion has changed dramatically.

Whether or not he was a DIR instructor, I cannot say for sure, but after checking the GUE website I tend to believe he wasn't since only one person in the class could have qualified for GUE membership. I was out of class before I finished checking all of his credentials. After his first sets of comments I didn't want to hold back his class with my mediocrity. Aggressive sales person, I'm sure, overbearing to say the least.

Again, this wasn't a shot at GUE/DIR just more of a shot at all of our fanaticisms that our way is the only way. and unfortunately , dd, we must include ourselves..

 

[jewhtwave]

Lead_carrier once bubbled...

Whether or not he was a DIR instructor, I cannot say for sure, but after checking the GUE website I tend to believe he wasn't since only one person in the class could have qualified for GUE membership. I was out of class before I finished checking all of his credentials.

The GUE website has an instructor database. http://www.gue.com/info/instruct.shtml

I am a new diver with fewer than 60 dives. I am also new to DIR. The way I look at DIR is that the components interlock with each other - without one, the big picture is incomplete.

 

[TheDarknessLord]

cave diver = dir