Burnham's Ledge Dive Report and Request for Help

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It probably makes sense to remove the net as intact as possible (rather than shredding it into pieces) and surrender it to a harbor master (let him deal with disposing it or returning it to the owner).

So, I am all for this - when are we doing it?
 
If you do this just be really careful. As I am sure everyone here realizes, it is really easy to become entangled doing this kind of work, and while I think the goal is admirable, I'd sure hate for someone to get hurt as a result.

If you do this, at a minimum, make sure you carry more than one cutting implement and make sure that one team member hangs back when you are cutting and acts as a spotter to make sure the net doesn't wrap into your blind spots, and well clear of the net so they aren't at risk of entanglement in case you end up needing help. Both of you should not be at the net and cutting at once. Also streamline your gear as much as possible to eliminate anything that might get hung up in the net.
 
It's aloose net, it happens. I sincerely doubt that there was any vast consperacy by fishermen to take out divers by entangling them in nets and drowning them. It's a fairly small net and doubt that government agencies will jump not into the limelight to save the marine environment from extinction because of it. I do not suggest the use of any surface vessel keeping tension on the net unless you have com. Good way to tear up a perfectly diver, as the boat has no clue as to what is going on underwater. It's easy enough to just cut it into smaller pieces and remove it. The problem comes when someone wants to be a hero and tries to cut out great big pieces of it just to look good, then gets all snagged. A fiew small chunks, cut the dead creatures out of it and let the ocean have them, and dispose of the net in a trash can, or take it with you for disposal. It's not a huge operation, and won't take long to do. Causing more tension with fishermen is not the answer. Some of them may be jerks, but on an average, thier job is brutally hard, with long hours, and at best, a crap shoot as to wether they make a paying catch or not. Some of them get angry when they see diminished catches, and divers near thier pots. They have NO idea what's going on down there, so they lash out in frustration. Most of us here would do the same thing if someone were threatening our jobs, or way of life, and we percieved it to be at the hands of others. More than once, I have seen pots sitting there empty, and no more than 20" away were dozens of bugs not going there because they had plenty of food. Fishermen don't see that, they see the empty pot, and divers in the water. Don't go showboating, and looking for press and a pat on the back, just slowly remove the net piece at a time, Never start in the middle, start at an end, and just never let the net get behind or over you, keep it in front and gather it up a bit at a time, cut it off, stow it, and go back later for a little more. If other divers do this, it will disappear in no time.
 
I am all for doing it safely and being nice to the neighbors. The problem is that I don't see anything but aggression from lobstermen. Being Mr Nice Guy with them may be a recipe for inflating their ego and claims even further. Then again, perhaps being nice to them will make them realize that divers are not their enemies and that we can all share the sea ;)
 
coldsquid:
Wow, I guess relations are tense between the dive community and commercial fisherman in Gloucester. I come from a family of commercial fisherman and can tell you that you don't just carelessly loose a net. That net represents thousands of dollars to a boat, and that is thousands of dollars that will not be available to feed their families. Is there a feeling on this board that the fishing community of Gloucester does not care about the ocean? It's their livelihood.

I would definitely get some legal advice on removing that net before attempting it, and please, be careful if you do try to remove it.

btw, I am not trying to stir anything up, just wanted to present the other side.
So how about this- the fishing boat that is missing a net (or any boat that wants another) goes out to the the ledge and pulls it up mooring line and all recovering their investment and divers just replace the mooring line. A whole lot safer that way I would think.
 
oceancurrent:
I am all for doing it safely and being nice to the neighbors. The problem is that I don't see anything but aggression from lobstermen. Being Mr Nice Guy with them may be a recipe for inflating their ego and claims even further. Then again, perhaps being nice to them will make them realize that divers are not their enemies and that we can all share the sea ;)


There is nothing to gain with more agression. This is simply a battle you can't win like that. I doubt they are ego driven, and if they didn't really believe they were being taken advantage of by divers, you can be assured that they have way better ways to spend thier time than to F with divers. They are simply misinformed as a whole. You are battling people that are fighting for thier livelyhood, not a sport, or passtime, like us. They seem to believe that divers are to blame for a drop in catch, and are just angry.
 
How many attachment point does the net have. If its just wrapped around the mooring line, then that can be cut away and the whole net taken up.

The boat tension plan was more a thinking out loud idea. Ide hate the net to have a few attachment points and suddenly come loose when one attachment is removed and suddenly the loose net who has lost its tension floats freely over a diver.
 

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