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I would like to add my $.02 worth now. I did alot of research as a new diver on rather to buy a BC or BP&W. I was sold over by the BP&W advice. I went out and bought a Dive Rite TrekWing aircell and Dive Rite backplate. Now I see talk of "death wings" (which the TrekWings are because they have a bungee?!). I'm going out with buddies who all use BC's this weekend. Luckily, they are DiveMasters or Instructor's in case I get in trouble with my "death wings". My .02 worth is this I guess, stick with what is used in basic training. In this case, a BC! I'll post a thread if I return.
 
Atomox:
Just some thoughts on OMS wings.

1. Bungee wings have elastic cord laced around the bladder to supposedly keep it tight and streamlined at all times. What actually occurs is that surface folds are created in the wing, which with the bungees themselves increase turbulent water flow over this surface and thus the diver's drag.
2. The fore and aft profile is also greater with the bungeed wings. (More drag, heavier exertion, CO2 loading, etc.)
3. The bungees are very good entanglement points that pose an entrapment hazard. The bungee can not be easily reached if they do become snagged.
4. The bungees also serve to hold the bladder close to the diver's center of gravity, which makes it easier to roll, but makes it more difficult to maintain a perfect prone attitude in water. The standard unrestrained wings will float upward against the side of your tanks, resulting in a greater applied moment which helps keep you in a horizontal position, which is generally the position of greatest function for the diver (certainly from a decompression perspective).
5. The bungees also create a slight positive pressure within the bladder at all times, which will act to forcefully dump the wing when you hit the deflate. This is a faster dumping than the standard wing, but if you have a valve or fitting failure your gas may be all inadvertently dumped - very dangerous in an emergency situation.
6. The positive pressure in the restrained wing also creates a lung loading problem when orally inflating - just one more thing to contribute to injury or DCS.
7. This positive pressure in the bladder complicates using the inflator as a tertiary backup regulator,
8. OMS provides buoyancy compensators with as much as one hundred pounds of lift (as advertised by the manufacturer). If a diver is using the correct tanks for his or her particular application (considering the buoyancy characteristics) and is correctly weighted, there is absolutely no need for this amount of buoyancy in any situation.
9. Bungee wings were developed in response to the perceived need for additional buoyancy to support excessively weighted divers. It is irresponsible to dive with weight that cannot be ditched in an emergency and the use of a gross displacement device is a mistaken compensation for an erroneous practice.
10. Cost more

A diver must "settle for nothing less than perfection. Those who do will discover on their own the value
of such effort. Those who do not will never understand what the others are talking about".

Brad
1) without getting into specifics that would be minmal, compared to reels, lift bags pony bottles etc clipped all over you despite the best attmepts to streamline
2) see above
3) yes if doing penetration
4) No difference that would affect your attitude
5) only at maximum fill, they are only holding the wing to size not contracting it
6) no see 5), only maybe trying to acheive max volume at the surface, but if it was that bad you could drop soem weight.
7) no see 5)
8) some situations do warrant it but they are exrtreme
9) maybe
10) not a technical issue

No i dont have them, but a lot of what is stated about these wings is B/S
 
I would like to hear just one example of how bungeed wings ever caused a death. Lots of hypothetical situations get thrown around, but never any actual facts. The fact is that many divers use OMS bungeed wings without ever encountering any problem, myself included. I have dove both bungeed & non-bungeed, and I prefer the bungee's.
 
vancehobart:
I would like to add my $.02 worth now. I did alot of research as a new diver on rather to buy a BC or BP&W. I was sold over by the BP&W advice. I went out and bought a Dive Rite TrekWing aircell and Dive Rite backplate. Now I see talk of "death wings" (which the TrekWings are because they have a bungee?!). I'm going out with buddies who all use BC's this weekend. Luckily, they are DiveMasters or Instructor's in case I get in trouble with my "death wings". My .02 worth is this I guess, stick with what is used in basic training. In this case, a BC! I'll post a thread if I return.
Your concerns are misplaced. The Dive-Rite system is a positioning system to make the wing less of a "taco" with a single tank. It won't deflate the wing if you get a leak (of course the wing's liable to deflate if you poke a hole in it anyway, just like any other BC). Relax; enjoy; you bought an excellent system.
Rick
 
I'll just second what Rick said ... your concerns are misplaced.

The Trek Wing isn't my favorite wing (but that's just me, personally) ... however, I have dived it, and still own it's larger sibling (Rec Wing) which is similarly configured. It's a pretty nice wing.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Since I am new to diving, I guess I won't know what the system is or isn't doing in regards to all the technical aspects you guys have layed out. I will take Bob's and Rick's advice and just go out and enjoy my new system! Thanks for all the food for thought guys.
 
Snowbear:
Holy guacamole :11: It's only been 3 years and 3 months since this thread was started! But hey - at least someone had the foresight to do a search, instead of starting a whole new thread about the same ol' rehashed controversy :D

SB you got that right. The only reason I even stopped on the thread was I noticed it was started by Warhammer and was wondering if he had returned. It's been a looooog time since I saw the name.
 

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