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Im looking into doing the diving course with my wife in October when she is free.
I've been looking at as much info as I can and looking at suitable places to train, around North Manchester (UK).

Now I have a question. Is BASC accepted worldwide like a PADI card is or, would we be better off just finding a PADI instrutor.

Reason I ask, I've just found a small club in Crumpsall and they look a friendly bunch, but they are BSAC.

TIA, confused:confused:
 
BSAC is if anything more widely accepted than PADI and as Edward stated a much more complete education. If those were my choices there is no choice to be made. BSAC. Other than their stupid views on the long hose but you don't need to worry about that until you start doing serious wreck dives in Scapa Flow or something like that. Any place that would not recognize a BSAC card is one you want to stay away from anyway.
 
Other than their stupid views on the long hose but you don't need to worry about that until you start doing serious wreck dives in Scapa Flow or something like that.

Eh ?

Craig, if you are looking at North Manchester and want to check out the PADI side of things, drop by Divelife in Whitefield.
 
Thanks for the info Edward, I have return PM..

(BSAC is if anything more widely accepted than PADI and as Edward stated a much more complete education.) This is helpful info Jim, Thank you.

Fiona. Divelife is one of my four shortlist. I'm down the road in Heywood so will be calling by the store soon. Thank you..
 
BSAC.

BSAC is a mentoring system of people who love to dive - you will have lots of dive buddies. There is nothing worse than being certified and having no one to dive with.
 
Now I have a question. Is BASC accepted worldwide like a PADI card is or, would we be better off just finding a PADI instrutor.
BSAC is a respected and accepted organization.

BSAC is if anything more widely accepted than PADI .

I find this response to be absolutely astounding. I would like to see what kind of statistics you used to come up with this one.
 
Both are accepted the world over. What you might want to think about is what type of diving you'll be looking to do after cetification. If you're looking to dive in the UK regularly, then maybe look at BSAC - they are a club, and as mentioned above, you will have plenty of opportunty to dive, and plenty of buddies. BSAC is perhaps more suited to UK conditions too.

If you're looking to get into diving as a holiday activity, then I'd go PADI.

Neither agency is better than the other - you need to look for a good instructor, more than a good agency. I've seen PADI divers have problems underwater, and I've seen many BSAC divers with underwater problems too...
 
BSAC clubs are all over the world.
It probably has better reputation than PADI which probably means nothing!!!
 
If you've found a BSAC club that you like, then I would recommend joining. A BSAC certification would be recognized/accepted world-wide. In practical terms, that means you would be able to present your certification card to a dive centre and be allowed to book diving. Because of the club/mentoring system, coupled with the 'cold-water' diving mindset, BSAC is recognized as providing an above-average quality of diver training.

PADI is the largest diving training agency, providing the majority of global diving certifications annually.. The majority of diving shops/operations in most regions are PADI. This would make PADI the most recognized agency - in the sense of 'brand awareness'. Some PADI dive centres do offer a club membership (this is increasingly true in the UK), which would also bring simular mentoring/club benefits as BSAC.

The essense of an entry-level training course is very simular with either organization. A diver has to learn X, Y and Z skills, whichever agency they choose. However, PADI applies a course structure which is globally relevant, which tends to make the OW course into the lowest common denominator. Because of this, it relies on continuing education courses to supply important regionally specific training (for the UK, that might be a separate drysuit course, extra training for DSMB deployment, a separate course to calculate tides and water movement etc etc). In contrast, BSAC tends to be more inclusive with these skills - as it's focus is to train divers for UK diving.

One potential downside to BSAC training is that courses can be slow. This is actually a benefit in terms of progressive skill development, but can cause issues if you were seeking to complete training before a set date (say, for instance if you were going on a diving holiday). BSAC relies upon volunteer instructors giving their time to conduct training, so it is often not possible for clubs to schedule training to suit individual member preferences. Courses can take many months to complete. In contrast, PADI dive centres are commercial - so they will exhibit more flexibility and motivation to 'get your business'. Most PADI operations will offer certification based on 5-7 days of training; whether that is completed one-night-per-week (like a BSAC club), over several weekends, or in a non-stop 1 week course.

Another potential downside to BSAC training is that it is very much determined by the attitude, mindset and motivation of the individual club that you join. There are some great BSAC clubs in the UK, but there are also some very clique and/or backwards minded clubs. If you like your local club and get a good 'vibe' from its members, then you probably have nothing to worry about.

The same is true of BSAC/PADI instructors. The overall quality of training is always determined by the individual merits of the instructor who provides it. I know some amazing PADI instructors....and many terrible ones. The same is true of BSAC. If I had to generalize though, I would say that BSAC offered a higher consistency of quality instructors, because it is a smaller organization and it doesn't 'push' people towards instructor level for commercial reasons (PADI makes lots of money from their instructor development program). That doesn't mean you can 'write off' PADI training though - you just have to be selective about which instructors/operations you use (but isn't that true of all things?).

I, personally, don't subscribe to the 'cold water' training must be better mentality. You will encounter this, I am sure. There are pros and cons to diving in any water environment and what matters is the quality of training, the quality of the instructor, and the divers individual mindset; in how they prepare for those conditions. From my personal experience, the divers who shouted loudest about the superiority of their training and experience (whether that is cold-water, or caves or whatever) tend to do so because of other, more personal and egotistical issues.
Also, be aware that agency qualifications are inter-changeable. You could do a PADI open-water certification and then join a BSAC club for further development. Vice-versa, you could do your training with a BSAC club, but still take subsequent qualifications with PADI (or other agencies).

In respect of long-term development, I think that BSAC offers more. Both agencies are roughly simular at Open-Water to Rescue Diver level. Beyond rescue diver, PADI only offer the 'Master Scuba Diver' certification (which is nothing more than a 'plastic clap on the back' for doing more specialist training courses) or a Divemaster qualification (which is a professional qualification to supervise divers). In contrast, BSAC offer the Dive Leader, Advanced Diver and First Class Diver ratings, which permit development far beyond the skill-set which the PADI system provides.
 
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