Bp/w

[jonix]

so you don't get confused, try the bp/wing first & configure it in the same manner you do with the jacket. clip the octo to your right d-ring. don't think of the dir vs. hogarthian thingy, you'll just get confused. that's the tech diving thing na.

use your standard length hose for your main 2nd stage...the 7' long hose is dir stuff. you can ask spoon to clarify on that, that's heavy stuff na eh di na kaya ng powers ko heheheh.

 

[Halthron]

Hogarthian is a minimalistic approach, I think (no expert here) that the long hose and bungeed backup are DIR. You haven't taken anything away, you're just modifying what you already have. Hogarthian seems to be a subset of DIR. Something can be DIR without being Hogarthian but I'm pretty sure that almost everything Hogarthian is DIR. I have a longer hose on my primary but I don't have thew backup bungeed. The reasonis that I usually stick it in my BC pocket but I guess now I need to find a place that sells some thin bungee, a hardware store I guess. The reason I have the 5' vs the 7' is twofold. First, I'm not doing penetration so the extra length isn't required. Second, I don't have a light can to route the extra hose under. 5' routes nicely and is more than sufficient for OW use.

I'm guessing that doing DIR equipment configurations without knowing why they're DIR, isn't DIR. But that may be a topic better addressed in the DIR forum.

 

[jagfish]

Hi guys
I have not been diving in the Philippines yet, but hope to someday.

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Jim

 

[Twomixdiver]

By the way, you guys have been diving with bp/w. And some have even mentioned using the hogarthian system. Does that mean that you are using a 7' hose for your primary reg and your secondary reg is around your neck secured by a bungee? Wala pa kasi ako nakikitang ganito eh. So I guess i also want to ask.... if i'm using the bp/w.. does that necessarily mean that my reg should be configured the hogarthian way? (naks).. or pwede yung normal length lang ng hoses that can be rented sa mga dive shops?

If you are diving recreational exclusively, the 7' hose would be ridiculously long unless your are at least 6' 5" tall. I'm 5' 9" and I've tried and successfully used a 5' hose.

HOWEVER, If you watch the DIR video by George Irvine, he has a standard octo hose as his long hose. Nothing is long enough to be looped around the neck. See this picture of the setup here: http://www.wkpp.org/articles/Gear/equip_moreimages_3.htm

I now dive this way, its more comfortable, and less risk of loosing a long hose 2nd stage exhaust tee into the water when the bangkero snags it while hauling in your gear in after a dive.

 

[shugar]

i've been reading some threads... i guess the bp/w bug bit me and i really want to try one out. But researching on bp/w's led me to the DIR vs. Hogarthian systems. Honestly, after reading sooooo many posts here and articles on the net... i got more confused. I can't understand the difference hehe... para kasing nago-overlap with regard to gear configuration. Is there really a difference? Board members seem to treat the two as completely different schools of thought na parang they are conflicting. Kayo, how do you see it?

By the way, you guys have been diving with bp/w. And some have even mentioned using the hogarthian system. Does that mean that you are using a 7' hose for your primary reg and your secondary reg is around your neck secured by a bungee? Wala pa kasi ako nakikitang ganito eh. So I guess i also want to ask.... if i'm using the bp/w.. does that necessarily mean that my reg should be configured the hogarthian way? (naks).. or pwede yung normal length lang ng hoses that can be rented sa mga dive shops?

yoms,

ok ganito yun...

the hogarthian setup is a minimalist setup... "if it's not needed, you don't rig it"... so walang padding-padding, extra clips, belts, bells, ribbons or what-nots that you'd get out of a jacket BC... that's why all they really use is a metal plate with some straps... walang drama

the DIR system is a philosophy and took its gear config from hogarthian... DIR does allow "some" bells and whisltles on the rig (see halcyon setups) but essentially seeks to get your gear in a minimalist and streamlined manner

the long hose config was primarily designed for tech/cave/wreck diving where octo sharing is done in more demanding conditions... DIR and HOG also prescribe sharing your primary reg in an OOA situation so a longer hose on the primary may be needed

listen to twomixdiver though... he's a tech diver and has rigged his gear to straddle the best of all worlds (DIR/HOG and non-DIR/HOG)...

i've been in your shoes... getting confused with the whole hog/dir/bp&w/i-hate-you/i-love-you/you're-a-stroke/you're-wrong/i'm-right thing before i finally figured it out... with a little help by my friends and deciding that i've had enough "research" on the board hahahahahaha

Jag

 

[yomar]

ahhhh...yun pala... mas clear na ngayon. Thanks for explaining guys! So since i'm only a recreational diver (at least for now), i'll go with the standard hose lengths muna and clip the octo to my right d-ring like what jonix said.

You know what got me confused? Reading some posts about the dir vs hog, i got the impression that these are two conflicting approaches. Pag may pumupuri sa DIR, sinasabi ng iba na baka awayin sila ng mga hog followers. That got me confused since ang pagkakaintindi ko, which apparently ay tama naman as confirmed by shugar and halthron, the DIR took its gear config from hogarthian.

Anyway thanks again for clearing this up.

 

[jagfish]

For another perspective...

I think the 7' hose is a nice rig. Being a GUE tech1 diver as well as PADI instructor, I wear the same configuration all the time, including teaching open water. I am only 5'9" on my good days, so it's not my size that requires the longer version.

For me, there is nothing better than having that long hose when demonstrating 00A or when a customer gets marginally low on an ascent I can easily slip them my long hose (no pun) and have plenty of space to maneuver. I prefer the 7 over the 5 as many other divers have noted.

When the primary reg is not in your mouth, it should ALWAYS be clipped off on your right chest D-ring So it should never be dragging around.

Jim

 

[chilipino]

I'm no expert and I've only been diving "DIR" recreationally (I don't do tech/cave/wreck) for a couple of years. What I have learned is that Hogarthian is basically the "minimalist" gear setup that is only one piece of the "DIR" diving system. Skills (bouyancy, frog/helicopter/backwards kicks, bag shooting, etc.) and procedures (OOA, deco, etc.) complete the package. The theory is that if everyone's trained the same way (you and I have the same OOA procedures, etc. ), has the same gear configuration (if something looks wrong, I can spot it and let you know or fix it myself), and shares the same philosophy about team diving (you know I won't leave you) it raises the safety and comfort factor significantly. It reduces the activity of diving to just having fun.

.mike

 

[chip104]

Halthron, if you go back to Divers Point, tell Ellen to give me a text. I live down the street and we can meet up for some Halo-Halo. No cat tongue will be involved.


@ Jagfish: Thanks for the websites. Axua was telling me about DSS backplates and they look nice. Btw, the DIR zone website is not up yet. (Bad Chip! You've used up all your paychecks...)

 

[jagfish]

Yeah, I'd like to score a DSS back plate for myself as well. I like the idea of the add-on weight plates.