BP/W with octo on inflator

[Hoosier]

I dont know generic term for the octo+, the air 2 etc etc.

But does anybody use a BP/W with this?

or is this Hogarthian blasphemy?

Im thinking of getting a travel friendly setup sometime late this year and this plus a computer with transmitter would really be minimalist.

Of course, here it is:

http://www.scubaboard.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19126&d=1119500698



http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=98253&highlight=eclipse+air+2



This is for the rec single set up. I can swap the curraged hose with the genuine one in 30 seconds. My GF's set up is also the same.

No.. No...No... I don't want to take any Air 2 lectures on this single rigs. Just make it simple and fun in the rec range.
Let's dive


Edit: Vie has alread post the link...Sorry for the double post...

 

[Soggy]

Just make it simple and fun in the rec range. Let's dive

What's simpler, a complicated regulator that combines the function of two pieces of gear, or a two separate simple, unbalanced regulator and a cheap plastic inflator?

What's more fun, having to disconnect your inflator hose due to a run away inflator and losing your backup gas source at the same time or only losing one piece of gear and when problem 2 occurs, being able to breathe off your backup gas?

It is a huge misconception that an air2 is a simpler solution when in reality it is a solution to a non-existent problem.

 

[Hoosier]

What's simpler, a complicated regulator that combines the function of two pieces of gear, or a two separate simple, unbalanced regulator and a cheap plastic inflator?

What's more fun, having to disconnect your inflator hose due to a run away inflator and losing your backup gas source at the same time or only losing one piece of gear and when problem 2 occurs, being able to breathe off your backup gas?

It is a huge misconception that an air2 is a simpler solution when in reality it is a solution to a non-existent problem.

Yeah.... you are right... But, I decide to take risks that you pointed out for the simple rigs. (less hose and gauge).


When I might dive with you, I can back to the normal configuration in 30 seconds with a bungeed back up.

 

[GreenDiverDown]

What's simpler...

The alt air inflator is "simpler" because it's an ornament... it's not there to actually use!
It just meets the "requirement".

Don't you know anything?

 

[Twomixdiver]

Though I run a dive shop, I'm against the idea of an AIR2; and I discourage its purchase as an alternate air source for the following reasons:

1. A high quality standard 2nd stage is usually cheaper to buy and delivers higher breathing performance.
2. Doing deco on an AIR2 type reg is uncomfortable, particularly when there is no downline or where decoing in a current is involved.
3. Not all persons are trained to go for the reg in the mouth when they are OOA.
4. Not all BCD's can be used be with an AIR2. It will be difficult to dump air from a BCD, while using an AIR2, unless the BCD in question has a right shoulder pull dump. I would never recommend an AIR2 to be used on DIR type BCD's which only have a lower pull dump.

 

[DiveTub]

Come on fellas
For recreational limited, no Deco Diving ie direct ascent to the surface the Air2 is a great bit of kit, They work fine! otherwise you wouldnt see boat loads of people with them, and you would be hearing tales of how the Air2 killed my buddy, husband, sister, brother and so forth, I actually cant think of a single death attributed to an Air2 in recreational diving.... Lets face it an Air2 will get you out of the **** if said **** hits the fan.

I have been using them on my recreational and teaching rigs for 10 years and never had an issue in any OOA situation with an Air2, as for training all my students are taught to use them as well as the standard Occy in the unlikley event they one day have to.

Now Deco Diving, Technical, OH Environment and so forth are a way different beast and obvioulsy the Standard Hog Rig, DIR or a nice sexy ECCR is going to be a much better option for this kind of diving.

Cheers
Chris

 

[DiveTub]

Though I run a dive shop, I'm against the idea of an AIR2; and I discourage its purchase as an alternate air source for the following reasons:

1. A high quality standard 2nd stage is usually cheaper to buy and delivers higher breathing performance.

From some of the cheap arse Occys I have seen on peoples recreational gear I would have to say I disagree with you on this one.

2. Doing deco on an AIR2 type reg is uncomfortable, particularly when there is no downline or where decoing in a current is involved.

Are we talking recreational or technical diving in this thread? If you are doing Deco on an Air2 then you have a real problem with gas planning and rigging gear and should not be going anywhere near Deco.

3. Not all persons are trained to go for the reg in the mouth when they are OOA.

Why is this? they are too prolific not to cross train with and any instructor that is not giving students instruction on Air2 use is not doing the right thing by their students

4. Not all BCD's can be used be with an AIR2. It will be difficult to dump air from a BCD, while using an AIR2, unless the BCD in question has a right shoulder pull dump. I would never recommend an AIR2 to be used on DIR type BCD's which only have a lower pull dump.

Obvioulsy you are going to buy kit to fit, if you are not and doing a DIY job without the correct knowledge you should not be doing it. Also depends on the Air2 I have no problems with dumping air via the Air2 when in use, just push the button?

Cheers
Chris

 

[meekal]

Otherwise, I have a Kydex backplate from DSS with a 20lb wing that I keep separated when travelling.
JL

just curious... WHY do you keep them separated?

 

[dumpsterDiver]

I like the Air 2 because I dive with a pony bottle and having THREE second stages is more complication than I need. Plus if I dive real shallow and skip the pony, I still meet normal recreational standards.

I have had very little trouble with the Air 2, and the ability to tighten the seat with an allen wrench in 5 seconds is a nice feature.

I've used the Air 2 during a real OOA situation from 100 feet and it worked fine.

I have seen a number of stuck inflators on standard rigs which has resulted in the inflation valve sticking open. For some reason, I've not yet seen that happen with the Air 2, maybe there is a difference in design?

Also, it is very simple to practice ascending with the Air 2, all you do is stick it in your mouth and dump air as needed. With a standard octopus, you have to unclip the damn thing and then re-clip it before getting on the boat.

 

[Twomixdiver]

Obvioulsy you are going to buy kit to fit, if you are not and doing a DIY job without the correct knowledge you should not be doing it. Also depends on the Air2 I have no problems with dumping air via the Air2 when in use, just push the button?

Well, this thread did set out to ask if it were proper Hogarthian to use an AIR2 with a BP/W, didn't it? And it is my opinion that DIR type wings are not appropriate for this setup.

The day I see the AIR2 being used as a full-time primary 2nd stage, is the day I will take a 2nd look at this piece of kit.